livewell68
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- Jul 20, 2007
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Is Messier overrated in terms of all-time greats?
Discuss.
My opinion is that he is a great player but no where the level that some people attribute to him.
Here are the few points that Messier fans use.
"He is the greatest leader in NHL history"
How many times did he lead his team to the playoffs after 1996?
"He is second all-time in scoring"
Would he be had he retired around 2000? When his elite days were over? He was basically just taking up salary space and demanding attention from New York but he did not play at the level that his salary or even his reputation demanded.
"He's the best all-around player NHL history"
Is he really? I can name Howe, Trottier, Mikkita, Beliveau, Clarke that were all more complete and all-around players than him.
"He dominated his peers"
Apart from 2 seasons he was never dominant and wasn't even a top 10 forward most seasons.
"He ended New York's drought"
The media in New York has forever overhyped this accomplishment and it was Leetch that was the most dominant in the playoff run and Messier got lots of help from Graves, Kovalev (who played his best playoff hockey that year), Leetch, Richter, Zubov. However Messier gets all the credit for it but was he as instrumental in that playoff as the media perceived him to be?
Discuss.
My opinion is that he is a great player but no where the level that some people attribute to him.
Here are the few points that Messier fans use.
"He is the greatest leader in NHL history"
How many times did he lead his team to the playoffs after 1996?
"He is second all-time in scoring"
Would he be had he retired around 2000? When his elite days were over? He was basically just taking up salary space and demanding attention from New York but he did not play at the level that his salary or even his reputation demanded.
"He's the best all-around player NHL history"
Is he really? I can name Howe, Trottier, Mikkita, Beliveau, Clarke that were all more complete and all-around players than him.
"He dominated his peers"
Apart from 2 seasons he was never dominant and wasn't even a top 10 forward most seasons.
"He ended New York's drought"
The media in New York has forever overhyped this accomplishment and it was Leetch that was the most dominant in the playoff run and Messier got lots of help from Graves, Kovalev (who played his best playoff hockey that year), Leetch, Richter, Zubov. However Messier gets all the credit for it but was he as instrumental in that playoff as the media perceived him to be?