Maybe the Wings strategy of using "defensive" players to hold the lead doesn't work?

[obey86]

Just maybe?

@iyer_prashanth: Since start of 15-16 season, the Wings are 28th in games won when leading after 2 periods at 69.4%. Only TOR (69%) and VAN (61.3%) are worse

^Over last 3 years, GA/60 when playing with the lead.

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[iDangleDangle]

Just maybe?

@iyer_prashanth: Since start of 15-16 season, the Wings are 28th in games won when leading after 2 periods at 69.4%. Only TOR (69%) and VAN (61.3%) are worse

^Over last 3 years, GA/60 when playing with the lead.

Always hated when teams get overly passive and conservative with a lead, especially a lead as frail as one goal lead. And it gets worse when you see it leading to guys like Glendening and Miller getting played like they are Datsyuk and Zetterberg reincarnates.

Shutdown abilities of our grinders are overvalue by too many. Being hemmed in your own zone is always bad, and the stats you posted only back that up.

 

[Tatar Shots]

The issue is that there is nothing that shows that our 'defensive' players are better at defense. Advanced stats show that Miller is constantly getting hemmed into his own zone yet he is one of our go to players to protect a lead.

 

[iDangleDangle]

The issue is that there is nothing that shows that our 'defensive' players are better at defense. Advanced stats show that Miller is constantly getting hemmed into his own zone yet he is one of our go to players to protect a lead.

There's no measurement for intangibles and hustle

 

[Tatar Shots]

There's no measurement for intangibles and hustle

He works really hard to get the puck out of the zone I'll give him that. He just isn't particularly good at it.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

IMO, it's more about how the Wings don't play for 60 minutes.

 

[Claypool]

Need to win more defensive face offs. Start there first.

 

[Oddbob]

IMO, it's more about how the Wings don't play for 60 minutes.

I second this motion. I have watched every game, minus the Preds game, and every game they have a 20 minute good stretch, and at least 20 minutes of bad stretch. They need to play much more consistently.

 

[left hand path]

The issue is that there is nothing that shows that our 'defensive' players are better at defense. Advanced stats show that Miller is constantly getting hemmed into his own zone yet he is one of our go to players to protect a lead.

Yeah, Wings fans have been overrating the defensive abilities of Helm, Miller, Glendening, etc. for a long time.

 

[One Blurred Eye]

I second this motion. I have watched every game, minus the Preds game, and every game they have a 20 minute good stretch, and at least 20 minutes of bad stretch. They need to play much more consistently.

They simply don't have the talent to play a consistent 60 minutes night in and night out. Consistency here more or less equals a quality top-pairing defenseman who can control the bluelines and snuff out fires, and a quality top-line center that can control the face-off dot, set a tempo, and keep pressure in the offensive end (obviously steady goal-tending too, but that's clearly not an issue at the moment). Until they get at least one of those, expect plenty of repeats of the Philly game, especially as we get deeper into the season and scoring tightens.

 

[aar000n]

This year they get leads and go into shells. See last games 2nd period.

 

[Martinez]

Protect the lead by holding the puck in the o zone. That's what we should try to do more.

 

[Reddwit]

The issue is that there is nothing that shows that our 'defensive' players are better at defense. Advanced stats show that Miller is constantly getting hemmed into his own zone yet he is one of our go to players to protect a lead.

What does it show about our defenseman?

I hate the idea of shell hockey, but GA/60 of our forwards during the 3rd with a lead is pretty poor statistical evidence that they're poor at defense in defensive situations without showing the stats of our defenseman. IMO, if you're talking about 5-on-5 shell hockey, defenseman are much more important than forwards at that stage, if evaluating defensive skill.

 

[Bench]

Protect the lead by holding the puck in the o zone. That's what we should try to do more.

Absolutely. Having the puck is the best recipe to prevent scoring chances. Babcock's system did this really well... at times. However, his system also called for never taking risks to actually score after you did have the lead. Which is why we'd see 20 shots a game from outside the faceoff dots to buff up those sweet, sweet corsi numbers.

 

[RedWingzz]

It's a bit silly the way we try to protect leads. Luke Glendening and Drew Miler are not good enough for us to sit on 1 goal leads with a whole period to go. Glendening is not Patrice Bergeron.

 

[Frk It]

Protect the lead by holding the puck in the o zone. That's what we should try to do more.

Which would be supported by Nyquist and Larkin having two of the best GF/60 to GA/60 ratio with the lead.... 2 of the best players we have at skating the puck up ice, gaining the zone, and maintaining possession.

Looks like Larkin-Helm-Nyquist might be the ideal line to use when we have a lead. I wouldn't be mad at that.

 

[Henkka]

- Capitals lost the 3-1 lead last night.
- Florida lost the 3-0 lead last night.

Sometimes you will lose, somethimes won't.

 

[Flowah]

- Capitals lost the 3-1 lead last night.
- Florida lost the 3-0 lead last night.

Sometimes you will lose, somethimes won't.

But over the past couple years we've been one of the worst teams at it. Some teams suck more than others.

 

[Henkka]

But over the past couple years we've been one of the worst teams at it. Some teams suck more than others.

Do you have some proven data of it?

When reading any message boards, there's a "same feeling" in every team fans, that their own team blows most leads.

At this season

- we have blown a lead 2 times
- we have won 6 games without blowing a lead (where NYR and STL did blow their leads)
- we have lost 3 games because of a bad start or being outplayed

 

[Frk It]

Do you have some proven data of it?

When reading any message boards, there's a "same feeling" in every team fans, that their own team blows most leads.

It's right in post #1.

@iyer_prashanth: Since start of 15-16 season, the Wings are 28th in games won when leading after 2 periods at 69.4%. Only TOR (69%) and VAN (61.3%) are worse

 

[crashnburnluder]

Do you have some proven data of it?

When reading any message boards, there's a "same feeling" in every team fans, that their own team blows most leads.

At this season

- we have blown a lead 2 times
- we have won 6 games without blowing a lead (where NYR and STL did blow their leads)
- we have lost 3 games because of a bad start or being outplayed

- we have blown a lead 3 Different games, and in the last two games we lost the 3rd period lead Twice
- we have one 6 games, 2 involving shutouts, one in which every one agrees was Howards best performance ever
- same agreement here

in the end of it we have lost 5 Points due to blown 3rd period leads, which would put us 2nd in the NHL with 18 points.

Side note, Rangers lost the lead early in the 2nd period, and Stl lost there lead in the 2nd....

The proof is in the pudding... we are 6-5-1 when we should be 9-3-0,

 

[ricky0034]

why are people acting like blown 3rd period leads is something new to Blashill? the Wings lost 9 games that they were leading in during the 3rd period in Babcock's last year here and 9 games the year before that as well

guess how many it was last year in Blashill's first year here? exactly 9 yet again

looks to me like a longstanding problem that's existed since long before Blashill got here

3 in 12 games looks like a lot this year but that's a pretty small sample size to get up in arms about,the Wings had a stretch last year at the start of December where it was 5 in 8 and they still finished with their usual 9

 

[theYman]

First you need a defense. Then you can play that way.

 

[SoupGuru]

When the Wings are defending their zone late in a game where they're ahead, they set up like they're on a PK. Everyone tries to get in the shooting lane. That's it.

Pressure the puck carrier. Play his passing options a little closer. Be assertive, for god's sake.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

When the Wings are defending their zone late in a game where they're ahead, they set up like they're on a PK. Everyone tries to get in the shooting lane. That's it.

Pressure the puck carrier. Play his passing options a little closer. Be assertive, for god's sake.

Agreed. Keep playing hockey.