Players today are having their peak arrive later than usual and primes seem to be lasting longer but AM does have some but not major durability concerns.
Matthews wins 3rd Rocket in 4 seasons
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BKIslandersFan
F*** off
Was the other thread talking about him being the leading goal scorer locked?
He'll beat Ovechkin when it's all said and done - assuming he's also willing to hang on past the point of being useful.
He'll beat Ovechkin when it's all said and done - assuming he's also willing to hang on past the point of being useful.
From what I understand, the league only recognizes Canadian players as great and gets mad if players from other nations are also mentioned as great. You've be warned.
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HFpapi
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In a season filled with two 100 assist seasons, three 130+ point seasons, 39 or whatever games it was home point streak, etc etc, it's really being slept on how insane 51 ES goals in as an accomplishment. To be a 50 goal scorer without a minute of PP time? Crazy.
You just gave Gary Bettman an idea for a gimmick team at the 4 nations. "Team North America 28 and under"
I'd argue he's already there. I generally slot Bure 10th, but Matthews may have already topped him. If he hasn't, he's really close, his peak/prime is already better, just lacking longevity.
To be honest i'm extremely impressed with Matthews. I'm starting to think it's not all that unlikely he'll make a run of his own at Gretzy's (or soon to be Ovechkin's) record.
After age 26 season - Matthews has 368 goals, Ovi had 339.
Age 27 was lockout year for Ovi, so he only potted 32. If Matthews scores ~60 again next season - he'd have close to a 60 goal edge on Ovechkin, age for age, after age 27 season.
Matthews may not win rocket trophies at ages 32, 33 & 34 like Ovechkin did, nor score 50 goals at age 36 - but he may not even have to do that to outdo Ovechkin's raw output, because of the gap he's building up.
Obviously - still a long way to go still. Continued health will be key. And he definitely needs to start becoming a greater playoff goal-scorer to rise up that top 10 list.
100%, I don't think a lot of people appreciate how good 51 EVG goals is. Ovechkin in his prime averaged around 30....43 being his best and that's not a knock on Ovechkin, he would be leading or near the top with 30 goals.
If you look at the 80s, scoring 50+ EVG was accomplished 4 times, 3 by Gretzky and 1 by Kurri (being fed by Gretzky). Brett Hull did it in his 86 goals season in 1991 (quite possibly the best goal scoring season ever) and Selanne scored 52 EVG in 1993, but that almost doesn't count, there were 14 guys who scored 50+ goals that year compared to 4 this year. There were also a few in the 70's, some influenced by Bobby Orr.
As good as Lemieux was in 1988/89, scoring 85 goals and 199pts, he only had 41 EVG.
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What's more impressive 70 goals or 100 assists.
Well 2 players got 100 assists this year.
Nobody got 70 goals.
Well 2 players got 100 assists this year.
Nobody got 70 goals.
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I think he's passed Bure as well....and if not, he easily will unless everything falls apart.
Sticking to EVG narrative, Bure's best season was 45, then 40, then 35. Matthews had 32 EVG is his rookie year. In addition to the 51 EVG he had this year, he also had 44 in 73 games in 2022 (injury), 31 in 52 games in 2021 (COVID) and 35 in 70 games in 2020 (COVID).
What's more impressive, 50 EVG or 100 assists?
They were awesome at the World Cup of Hockey as 18 year olds.
Gimmick team be damned. They were fun to watch.
McDavid with the automatic zone entry, Matthews with the deking on his knees.
Dr Pepper
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Matthews has an extra season under his belt though, no? Eight seasons by age 26, to Ovy's seven.
Ovy's rookie season would've been the 04/05 lockout, and who knows how many goals he could've scored.
Also, just checking their hockeydb, I am just now realizing THESE TWO HAVE THE SAME BIRTHDAY.
How have I just now noticed this?
Honestly, I'm out of that conversation until at least 2030 or 2031.
Yeah, I noticed that a long time ago.....makes it very easy to compare goal totals "at the same age".Matthews has an extra season under his belt though, no? Eight seasons by age 26, to Ovy's seven.
Ovy's rookie season would've been the 04/05 lockout, and who knows how many goals he could've scored.
Also, just checking their hockeydb, I am just now realizing THESE TWO HAVE THE SAME BIRTHDAY.
How have I just now noticed this?
Matthews has one of the best shots we've seen in the NHL ever. Then his superhuman ability to find open space allows him to use that shot to its fullest potential.
One time I saw him just skate in a big circle to get open. All the defenders on the ice stopped paying attention to him like they were being run by bad video game AI. He does this all the time. It's even more unbelievable than Ovi standing in the same spot, making the same shot, and scoring the same goal hundreds of times in his career.
One time I saw him just skate in a big circle to get open. All the defenders on the ice stopped paying attention to him like they were being run by bad video game AI. He does this all the time. It's even more unbelievable than Ovi standing in the same spot, making the same shot, and scoring the same goal hundreds of times in his career.
Arthur Morgan
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that is a shame for sure. but for all we know that year off may have made him what he was when he came in. Im sure if there wasnt a lockout he would have had a very nice rookie season anyways but maybe not a 100 point rookie
Matthews has an extra season under his belt though, no? Eight seasons by age 26, to Ovy's seven.
Ovy's rookie season would've been the 04/05 lockout, and who knows how many goals he could've scored.
Also, just checking their hockeydb, I am just now realizing THESE TWO HAVE THE SAME BIRTHDAY.
How have I just now noticed this?
Yes 1 less season for Ovi (started at age 20 vs 19) - and yes they do have same birthday, which makes it easy for age to age comparisons.
But - games played is very comparable despite the 1 season extra.
After age 26 season - Ovechkin 553 games, 339 goals
After age 26 season - Matthews 562 games, 368 goals
Incognito
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Just like Ovechkin’s 65 goal season in 2007-2008, there was nobody within a country mile of Matthews as far as goal totals this season. He could have stopped playing on March 20th (after his 67th game) and he still would have won the Rocket.
100%. People don’t enough focus on ES scoring. PP’s come and go and most of the game is played on ES.
Shout out to Stamkos too by the way. I also felt his 60 goal season (48 ES!) does not get enough respect. It’s always Ovechkins 65 but Stamkos season was just as impressive if not more in my opinion.
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Love Matthews...but this just makes me so angry that they can't build a proper team around him. Wasting his prime like Sundin, Iginla, The Sedins, Price, Hellebuyck, McDavid, etc.
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