Matthews stats away from Marner

[Antropovsky]

Matthews and Marner were split up for 12 games in Nov, and they've been apart for another 12 games due to Marners injury.

These are Matthews stats with and without Marner:

Total even strength stats 2024: 47 goals 23 assists 70 points
Even strength without Marner: 24 games: 19 goals 13 assists 32 points
Even strength with Marner: 50 games: 28 goals 10 assists 38 points

Does Marner and Matthew's really not have as much chemistry as some suggest?

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[Ol' Jase]

Matthews and Marner were split up for 12 games in Nov, and they've been apart for another 12 games due to Marners injury.

These are Matthews stats with and without Marner:

Total even strength stats 2024: 34 goals 21 assists 55 points
Even strength without Marner: 24 games: 19 goals 13 assists 32 points
Even strength with Marner: 50 games: 15 goals 8 assists 22 points

Coincidence or does Marner and Matthew's really not have as much chemistry as some suggest?

I think he has more than 34 EV goals this year.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I think he has more than 34 EV goals this year.

Like 46 I think.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Your numbers are wrong.

At even strength Matthews has 29 goals and 44 points in 762:46 with Marner and 18 goals and 27 points in 483:54 without Marner.

 

[Regal]

Historically Matthews has scored more with Marner on the ice than without, but it’s not really an appreciable difference. Matthews would score with anyone, but to some degree playing with better talent is always going to help you.

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

Splitting up Matthews and Marner a few years ago wasn't a success

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd be curious about Matthews-Nylander stats...Marner is a good player but there is more of a shot threat with Nylander than with Marner, feel like it benefits both Matthews/Nylander.

 

[Antropovsky]

I think he has more than 34 EV goals this year.

Good catch, the stats I cited were 5vs5. So that wouldn't include other even strength stats.

 

[Antropovsky]

I'd be curious about Matthews-Nylander stats...Marner is a good player but there is more of a shot threat with Nylander than with Marner, feel like it benefits both Matthews/Nylander.

Matthews has played 24 games without Marner. I believe 12 of those games were with Nylander. Those stats being.

 

[Jacob]

Everyone knows Marner is an anchor.

 

[Antropovsky]

Like 46 I think.

47 and 70 points, I've updated it. Thanks!

 

[PaulD]

Splitting up Matthews and Marner a few years ago wasn't a success

Matthews is great with or without Marner.

Come play-off time Matthews is better off without Marner on his line.
The team would better off to split up the bromance.
But Mitchy might pout if Keefe does that.

 

[AvroArrow]

Your numbers are wrong and also when he isn't with Marner, he's been with Bertuzzi + Domi

So the question you should ask it, is Matthews + Marner + Knies better/equal/worse than Matthews + Bertuzzi + Domi

 

[Romang67]

Matthews is great with or without Marner.

Come play-off time Ide be willing to bet Matthews is better off without Marner .
The team would better off to split up the bromance.
But Mitchy might pout if Keefe does that.

In the past 3 playoffs, Matthews+Marner has been a fair bit better on the ice than Matthews without Marner.

Marner without Matthews also has pretty bad numbers, which would also be an argument against separating the two.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Your numbers are wrong and also when he isn't with Marner, he's been with Bertuzzi + Domi

So the question you should ask it, is Matthews + Marner + Knies better/equal/worse than Matthews + Bertuzzi + Domi

Second most usage according to moneypuck is Matthews, Nylander and Knies.

 

[Antropovsky]

I'd be curious about Matthews-Nylander stats...Marner is a good player but there is more of a shot threat with Nylander than with Marner, feel like it benefits both Matthews/Nylander.

Matthews has played 24 games without Marner. I believe 12 of those games were with Nylander. Those stats being: even strength 12 games 11 goals and 17 points (taken from espn gamelogs when Mar er and Matthews were split, not positive if all mins were just Nylander)

 

[Golden_Jet]

I'd be curious about Matthews-Nylander stats...Marner is a good player but there is more of a shot threat with Nylander than with Marner, feel like it benefits both Matthews/Nylander.

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Edit: Sort by team and forwards and slider bar for minutes, moneypuck doesn’t carry all of link forward

 

[BigTruzz]

Why is this on the main board? No one besides Leafs fans care.

 

[Antropovsky]

Splitting up Matthews and Marner a few years ago wasn't a success

Think that was more because Tavares and Marner despite their 2019 season have struggled together in the postseason. Possibly because both lack high end speed. That'd just speculation on my part, not sure what advanced stats say.

Why is this on the main board? No one besides Leafs fans care.

Curious to see main board thoughts on Marner and Matthew's to eliminate bias on the Leaf board.

 

[WTFMAN99]

NHL Lines Advanced Stats

The Best Offensive and Defensive Lines in the NHL

moneypuck.com

Edit: Sort by team and forwards and slider bar for minutes, moneypuck doesn’t carry all of link forward

Thanks - Knies-Matthews-88 seems superior to Knies-Matthews-Marner from this link.

 

[PaulD]

In the past 3 playoffs, Matthews+Marner has been a fair bit better on the ice than Matthews without Marner.

Marner without Matthews also has pretty bad numbers, which would also be an argument against separating the two.

play off series record of 1-7 .....
suggests it would be wise to spread them out.
Matthews drives first line
Nylander drives second line
Marner drives third line
reunite for powerplays.

Penguins won 9 straight series and 2 Cups doing same with
Crosby
Malkin
Kessel

Not that the Leafs could win a cup.....but they might get by the second round for the first time in over 20 years.

 

[SoupNazi]

Why is this on the main board? No one besides Leafs fans care.

You’re welcome to ignore this thread if it bothers you so much.