Marner v Point, which contract do you prefer?

[CherryToke]

Marner
Point will ask for a lot more, when his bridge ends.

He might even ask for Marner money.

 

[Pyrophorus]

He might even ask for Marner money.

We shall see

 

[sparxx87]

Points next contract will be higher than Marners after 3 more years. or sh*t we will see.

But if the bridge deal helps keep the band together and they win, I don’t think they’ll care. Chicago was happy to pay Kane and Toews with 3 rings.

3 years is a long way away. For now, the Bolts are in a great spot both on and off the ice.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Did Matthews run your dog over? It’s pretty peculiar how you’ll bring him into unrelated conversation just to slight him. You shouldn’t pay him so much mind because he’s never going to reciprocate. Sorry.

Re; Matthews - the most respected in the game take issue with Dubas giving max dollar without getting max term. Nobody credible thinks it’s ‘atrocious’, but he shouldn’t have moved on dollars without getting term. He falls in between Eichel and McDavid, as he should... but it should have been for longer.

You’re welcome to bury your head in the sand if you’d like, but when you’re disingenuous in your evaluation it has you looking silly. Especially when guys who earn a living on a rival team say things like this; https://www.bardown.com/david-pastr...-to-win-the-hart-trophy-next-season-1.1351599

...but hey, whatever makes you feel better!

I don't understand how you think its not an atrocious contract. Yeah, 11.6 I guess is fair (still a little high imo) on an 8-year contract. That would plant him square between McDavid and Eichel. On 5 years that unbelievably bad. His figure on an 8-year contract would have been 13+ million, making him the highest-paid player in the league. Essentially a guy who has never cracked 75 is paid more than McDavid (the Hart, 2x Lindsay, 2x Art Ross, youngest captain in the NHL, better defensively, plays more minutes, scores more goals, and leads a significantly worse team- that McDavid). Their resumes aren't comparable in the slightest- where did that number come from? Thus why it was an atrocious deal. 3 years off his contract is not some small statement to be dismissed, not to mention the bringing him to UFA where is his slated to get an absurd contract whether that be from the leafs or from some other team.


I brought him up because he is completely relevant to the discussion. I honestly think Dubas did a decent job with the Marner contract, I was fully expecting to see the Toews-Kane contract scenario because frankly, Marner has an argument for that. Getting the extra year and 700K lower was some decent negotiation. So Matthews came up as I think Marner could have won this poll if it weren't for the Matthews' contract. I think Marner is better than Point, so but having outperformed an 11.6 million dollar teammate the year prior killed Dubas. Without that direct teammate comparable, Marner probably gets 10 x 6 or probably even less, which in turn I would take over Point at 6.75 x 3.

Edit: and yes respected people think its a bad deal. Maybe you have to travel outside the Toronto bubble to hear them, but the day that deal was announced the majority of talk show hosts I heard were unsure at best with some uncaringly ripping into it.

I also don't understand the point of citing a player. They very very rarely speak ill of each other, especially to the media. That is the definition of empty words. Classy move by Pasta but not meaningful

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I’ll come back to this in 3 years lol

With TB's cap structure, Point may still be making less on AAV than Marner is at 10.9 after 3 years. That's how bad the Marner deal was and how good Point's deal is for TB.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Marner
Point will ask for a lot more, when his bridge ends.

Still will make less than Marner. And he’s better.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Point AINEC. Dumbass gets folded in every major contract negotiation.

 

[HabsMD97]

The funniest part is that his next contract will also be lower than Marner's current contract

 

[stopclickbait]

Does Point have the same agent at Labanc asking for a friend.

 

[abo9]

Does Point have the same agent at Labanc asking for a friend.

"It's only a one year contract" but at 1M Labanc's contract is digusting

 

[nturn06]

Points next contract will be higher than Marners after 3 more years. or sh*t we will see.

Point needs to make 15.036 /year for 3 years in his next contract to equal MM salary.... His salary would need to raise by 123%....

 

[42]

Point contract, and it's not even remotely close.

This and only diehard fans with blinders on would vote for Marner's contract.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Of course we'd all prefer Point's contract. No question!!

But Marner is the better player and is signed for 6 years instead of 3 so at least I will find some solace in that.

 

[sparxx87]

I don't understand how you think its not an atrocious contract. Yeah, 11.6 I guess is fair (still a little high imo) on an 8-year contract. That would plant him square between McDavid and Eichel. On 5 years that unbelievably bad. His figure on an 8-year contract would have been 13+ million, making him the highest-paid player in the league. Essentially a guy who has never cracked 75 is paid more than McDavid (the Hart, 2x Lindsay, 2x Art Ross, youngest captain in the NHL, better defensively, plays more minutes, scores more goals, and leads a significantly worse team- that McDavid). Their resumes aren't comparable in the slightest- where did that number come from? Thus why it was an atrocious deal. 3 years off his contract is not some small statement to be dismissed, not to mention the bringing him to UFA where is his slated to get an absurd contract whether that be from the leafs or from some other team.


I brought him up because he is completely relevant to the discussion. I honestly think Dubas did a decent job with the Marner contract, I was fully expecting to see the Toews-Kane contract scenario because frankly, Marner has an argument for that. Getting the extra year and 700K lower was some decent negotiation. So Matthews came up as I think Marner could have won this poll if it weren't for the Matthews' contract. I think he is better than Point, so but having outperformed an 11.6 million dollar teammate the year prior killed Dubas. Without that direct teammate comparable, Marner probably gets 10 x 6 or probably even less, which in turn I would take over Point at 6.75 x 3.

Predictably, the slights to Matthews are closely followed by the McDavid comparisons complete with credentials and some points of opinion sold as fact. I should have bet.

Your opinion is inconsistent with those who earn a living in the game... Or maybe David Pastrnak, Alex Barkov, Barry Trotz etc are all just Leaf homers?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

...and after
$9m QO

That's still way less than Marner is already making lol.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

That's still way less than Marner is already making lol.

WTF do you want us to say??

 

[42]

Of course we'd all prefer Point's contract. No question!!

But Marner is the better player and is signed for 6 years instead of 3 so at least I will find some solace in that.

Is he now?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

This and only diehard fans with blinders on would vote for Marner's contract.

After reviewing the list of people voting for Marner in this thread, your logic checks out.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

WTF do you want us to say??

IDK, that Marner got way overpaid vs his comparables?

 

[Karl Eriksson]

When you consider the difference in term....Dubas should still jump in front of a bus.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Is he now?

yes he is.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

IDK, that Marner got way overpaid vs his comparables?

yup its part of being the hockey spotlight. Marner is over paid right now but soon enough it will be seen as a good deal.
I expect 100 points from Marner and maybe 70-80 from Point

 

[sparxx87]

IDK, that Marner got way overpaid vs his comparables?

Everyone knows this. He shouldn’t have made a cent more than Kucherov. Dubas still gave it to him. Not much anyone on HF can do about it?

If your friends dog ****s on your rug, do you rub your friends nose in it?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

yup its part of being the hockey spotlight. Marner is over paid right now but soon enough it will be seen as a good deal.
I expect 100 points from Marner and maybe 70-80 from Point

I mean considering point is a goal scoring center, and all the logic we've heard about why Matthews deserved more than Marner (i.e. he's a goal scoring center), it's quite shocking to see point get such a superior contract.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Everyone knows this. He shouldn’t have made a cent more than Kucherov. Dubas still gave it to him. Not much anyone on HF can do about it?

If your friends dog ****s on your rug, do you rub your friends nose in it?

I didn't create the poll, and there are obviously several leaf fans who believe the Marner contract is still superior....