Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion

[yababy]

Marner shouldn't be paid more than Stone.

No state income tax in Never a just like Florida. Can't make a direct comparison. Calculate the net

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Nothing wrong with the contract so long as you need a #1 centre and it doesn't blow your "team discount deal" up in your face.

Team discount is a myth. Building a team on the premise of underpaying players would have been an awful “plan”. If you’re referring to “finding a way to fit” which is what Shanahan said he was clearly referring to what, for example, Matthews did, taking a shorter term at lower cap hit so that we can fit the others.

 

[yababy]

Team discount is a myth. Building a team on the premise of underpaying players would have been an awful “plan”. If you’re referring to “finding a way to fit” which is what Shanahan said he was clearly referring to what, for example, Matthews did, taking a shorter term at lower cap hit so that we can fit the others.

Lol.
Matthews took the shorter term so he could reach UFA status sooner.

So let me get this straight, every media outlet understands that Shanahan wanted the young players to sign cheaper deals except you?
Shanahan expects sacrifice from core to keep Leafs together - Sportsnet.ca

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Marleau and Zaitsev are not going to be easily moved

Yes agreed. That was part of the point though. Marleau and Zaitsev would be super hard to move to but it'd easily occur before you move Nylander.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Lol.
Matthews took the shorter term so he could reach UFA status sooner.

So let me get this straight, every media outlet understands that Shanahan wanted the young players to sign cheaper deals except you?
Shanahan expects sacrifice from core to keep Leafs together - Sportsnet.ca

It was reported that Matthews wanted longer term but the higher cap hit didn’t fit. Dubas thanked him and his agent for being flexible on term to come down to 5 so that they can fit. Same thing Crosby/Malkin did. Same thing Toews/Kane did. It’s pretty common to go 5+8 on contracts after ELC for elite players that are on teams with lots of elite players.

 

[yababy]

was reported that Matthews wanted longer term but the higher cap hit didn’t fit.

BS, he wanted freedom and a fastest way to UFA. And Fun as thanked him for not giving UFA years? Come on buddy.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

BS, he wanted freedom and a fastest way to UFA. And Fun as thanked him for not giving UFA years? Come on buddy.

Yes it is all doom and gloom isn’t it

 

[supsens]

Marner shouldn't be paid more than Stone.

Mark stone has a career high of 73 points, He will use Stone and say his 90+ points is worth more

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

No state income tax in Never a just like Florida. Can't make a direct comparison. Calculate the net

That's assuming players are paying personal tax rates. Tax rates never seem to be a factor when players are traded or signed with the Raptors and Jays but somehow. the tax experts think it's a big thing for NHL players.

 

[Mess]

Matthews contract was fine. It was Tavares contract that set up this disaster

JT signing was the Fuse, and Matthews contract was the Dynamite and Marner' contract is going to be the Match that blows the Leafs Salary Cap sky high.

Matthews contract is #2 highest AAV and Tavares is #3 and if Marner gets $10.5 mil then his will be tied for at least the #5th highest AAV next year.

Maybe UFA players like Karlsson and Panarin, might break into this top 5, but those are all UFA years where the market decides, while both Marner and Matthews deals will include 4 X RFA years as the biggest portion of their terms.

 

[Hockey Crazy]

JT signing was the Fuse, and Matthews contract was the Dynamite and Marner' contract is going to be the Match that blows the Leafs Salary Cap sky high.

Matthews contract is #2 highest AAV and Tavares is #3 and if Marner gets $10.5 mil then his will be tied for at least the #5th highest AAV next year.

Maybe UFA players like Karlsson and Panarin, might break into this top 5, but those are all UFA years where the market decides, while both Marner and Matthews deals will include 4 X RFA years as the biggest portion of their terms.

You're very good at being dramatic

 

[Mess]

You're very good at being dramatic

Thank you.

You know what they say a picture is worth a 1000 words.

After Marner signs his new deal I might have to use this as my new Avatar, to best portray my Leafs contract/cap situation.

 

[horner]

No state income tax in Never a just like Florida. Can't make a direct comparison. Calculate the net

People always seem to forget the small things.
Taxes
The dollar can and us

 

[ULF_55]

JT signing was the Fuse, and Matthews contract was the Dynamite and Marner' contract is going to be the Match that blows the Leafs Salary Cap sky high.

Matthews contract is #2 highest AAV and Tavares is #3 and if Marner gets $10.5 mil then his will be tied for at least the #5th highest AAV next year.

Maybe UFA players like Karlsson and Panarin, might break into this top 5, but those are all UFA years where the market decides, while both Marner and Matthews deals will include 4 X RFA years as the biggest portion of their terms.

This is a question for all those underemployed research assistants out there with time on their hands ...

What is the percentage of UFA signing that actually pan out over the entire contract?

For example, Marleau's deal, although a shorter duration contract, was probably good for 1.5 years out of the 3. I'm not thinking this year will be better.

In many cases are you're buying retirement years?

It will be interesting to see if RFA or UFA become the players high point.

 

[ULF_55]

People always seem to forget the small things.
Taxes
The dollar can and us

Many factors outside straight dollars.

1. Housing costs - location location location
2. Cost of living - health care, food, utilities, property taxes
3. Quality of life - schooling and safety for family
4. Quality of team - not just position in standings, but everything around the team
5. Team Management and coaching structure

Item 5 can change in an instant, going from a pleasant to unbearable situation or vice versa.

 

[Mess]

This is a question for all those underemployed research assistants out there with time on their hands ...

What is the percentage of UFA signing that actually pan out over the entire contract?

For example, Marleau's deal, although a shorter duration contract, was probably good for 1.5 years out of the 3. I'm not thinking this year will be better.

In many cases are you're buying retirement years?

It will be interesting to see if RFA or UFA become the players high point.

It will interesting how Tavares at age 35 & age 36 in the last 2 years of his deal is still worth $11 mil cap hit and how that impacts the rest of the roster, particularly when Matthews, Nylander and Marner (assuming 5-6 year deal) next contracts are due again as they hit UFA status at age 26 & 27.

IF JT is now just a 60 point player and Mitch and Matthews are up and asking $15 mil in 5-6 years.

Getting Marner on an 8 year deal this time might make that less on a problem down the road.

 

[Stephen]

It will interesting how Tavares at age 35 & age 36 in the last 2 years of his deal is still worth $11 mil cap hit and how that impacts the rest of the roster, particularly when Matthews, Nylander and Marner (assuming 5-6 year deal) next contracts are due again as they hit UFA status at age 26 & 27.

IF JT is now just a 60 point player and Mitch and Matthews are up and asking $15 mil in 5-6 years.

Getting Marner on an 8 year deal this time might make that less on a problem down the road.

Or maybe this current recipe doesn’t work and we will have gladly traded Marner away in a DeRozan for Leonard type shakeup.

 

[Martin Skoula]

It will interesting how Tavares at age 35 & age 36 in the last 2 years of his deal is still worth $11 mil cap hit and how that impacts the rest of the roster, particularly when Matthews, Nylander and Marner (assuming 5-6 year deal) next contracts are due again as they hit UFA status at age 26 & 27.

IF JT is now just a 60 point player and Mitch and Matthews are up and asking $15 mil in 5-6 years.

Getting Marner on an 8 year deal this time might make that less on a problem down the road.

In 6 years, 11 million is going to be what guys like Skinner/Duchene get after a 40 goal or 75 point season. Maybe even worse guys will be getting 11 million after the Seattle expansion balloons the cap ceiling even further.

 

[Menzinger]

This is a question for all those underemployed research assistants out there with time on their hands ...

What is the percentage of UFA signing that actually pan out over the entire contract?

For example, Marleau's deal, although a shorter duration contract, was probably good for 1.5 years out of the 3. I'm not thinking this year will be better.

In many cases are you're buying retirement years?

It will be interesting to see if RFA or UFA become the players high point.

Imo a system that pays players big money during their prime years makes a LOT more sense than one that pays them over the back 9 of their careers.

I think there are enough signs that show the league is shifting to one that will pay stars big money regardless of their ages and the depth guys will be taking pay cuts.

Once this summer's crop of RFAs sign the Leafs cap situation will seem less and less unique

 

[The CyNick]

Or maybe this current recipe doesn’t work and we will have gladly traded Marner away in a DeRozan for Leonard type shakeup.

If we can get McDavid for marner I'm all in

 

[ULF_55]

If we can get McDavid for marner I'm all in

There are a lot of overpayments I'd take for Marner.

Carlo and McAvoy would be nice.

 

[Mickey Marner]

What's with all the dissent from out-of-towners ITT?

 

[Arzak]

There are a lot of overpayments I'd take for Marner.

Carlo and McAvoy would be nice.

You have better chances of trading one of them for Nylander. Don't see Boston giving away McAvoy +, they seem pretty high on him. Winger is their need and Nylander had chemistry with Pasta two seasons they played together.

 

[Frenchy]

Part II :

Salary Cap: - Marner Deal Discussion Part II