Management Thread II - Read OP

[PetterssonSimp]

What stats are you looking at? His save percentage? You don't remember a time when Markstrom was letting in all those early goals? Markstrom was not an above average #1 goalie over the past three years. It's been more like his past 3/4 of the seasons.

Jacob Markstrom Stats and News

You’re arguing a point I didn’t make. I said, Markstrom’s stats are virtually identical over the past 4 season, but only two are with a 1000+ mins of starting time. But his gaa and save percentage are very dam close

 

[passive voice]

It's remarkable how quickly Jim & Co turned $8ish million in cap space* into 11 goals and 27 assists. That's like Loui-level efficiency, without the penalty killing

edit: and like we barely talk about it because it's just a drop in the ocean with this team

 

[Jyrki21]

In my opinion the best scenario would be for us to be out of a playoff position at the deadline while there's another good team in a spot but with shaky goaltending, a scenario which could net us a 1st rounder.

I feel this almost never happens, though... I don't know if it's just because almost all good teams already have solid goaltending, or there's a fear of dashing the confidence of your heretofore starter, or just the fact that no one is eliminated by the deadline anymore. But I can't think of many deadline goalie trades at all, going back to, like, Tom Barrasso to Carolina and the Cheveldae-Essensa swap. And that was when the deadline was later in the year.

 

[RandV]

I feel this almost never happens, though... I don't know if it's just because almost all good teams already have solid goaltending, or there's a fear of dashing the confidence of your heretofore starter, or just the fact that no one is eliminated by the deadline anymore. But I can't think of many deadline goalie trades at all, going back to, like, Tom Barrasso to Carolina and the Cheveldae-Essensa swap. And that was when the deadline was later in the year.

I was thinking of Edmonton trading for Roloson, but yeah it's pretty rare. Possible this season with a team like Calgary or Columbus, or there's a chance for an injury.

That would be the ideal though. I still think the most likely is we sign him and then if Demko is the real deal we can sacrifice Markstorm in the expansion draft and not have to lose a forward or dman.

 

[F A N]

I feel this almost never happens, though... I don't know if it's just because almost all good teams already have solid goaltending, or there's a fear of dashing the confidence of your heretofore starter, or just the fact that no one is eliminated by the deadline anymore. But I can't think of many deadline goalie trades at all, going back to, like, Tom Barrasso to Carolina and the Cheveldae-Essensa swap. And that was when the deadline was later in the year.

Ya. You pretty much need a Cup contender (or a team pushing for the playoffs) with highly suspect goaltending or have their #1 out with injury that requires some insurance. I think the last time it happened was Ben Bishop to the Kings?

 

[ccjon]

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Oh goody.

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

Brackett is the only one with brains out of the 3 of them.Im sure one day will see him as a gm.

 

[Jyrki21]

Oh Lord, if Brackett is the one who ends up paying the price for that, we should be crying bloody murder. Every time you think it can't get worse, we get a little preview of coming attractions.

Someone here noted that he didn't seem thrilled immediately after the draft. Good eye. He certainly seems a lot smarter than the rest of his team... if he leaves that's another huge black mark on Aquilini for being an obstinate fool.

 

[Josepho]

the canucks haven't released a benning mic'd up video this year



(for the record i think we had a pretty good draft this year regardless but this is a bit concerning)

 

[VanillaCoke]

Its all at this point

 

[Jack Burton]

Can you blame em? I know I haven't been to happy with our drafting and was completely shocked that we took such a huge risk drafting Pod this year.

Somebody please remind me but didn't we just shuffle a couple of scouts around or they left about a week or so after the draft?

I wonder if this has something to do with it?

 

[vanuck]

the canucks haven't released a benning mic'd up video this year



(for the record i think we had a pretty good draft this year regardless but this is a bit concerning)

Do they usually release one every year?

 

[TruGr1t]

I recall some reports that the Canucks drafting appeared to take a step back this year in terms of the depth rounds. Though we've largely failed to generate anything after the first round in like 5 years, so I dunno how you measure success. At some point I think everyone will realize this period in the team history was fairly poor at the draft table outside of picks in the top ten (which were also rather hit or miss).

 

[rypper]

Somebody please remind me but didn't we just shuffle a couple of scouts around or they left about a week or so after the draft?

I wonder if this has something to do with it?

If I recall, two were outright released and one left for a promotion with another organization.

 

[rypper]

I know in interviews after the draft Brackett toed the company line and used this year's buzz words (big motor players etc.) But it felt odd not to see an US college player not picked until much later in the draft.

 

[Jack Burton]

If I recall, two were outright released and one left for a promotion with another organization.

Thanks rypper.
It's been a very busy/fun summer so far and I haven't been keeping up so I appreciate the response

And just to confirm...this happened just after the draft right?

 

[Jack Burton]

I know in interviews after the draft Brackett toed the company line and used this year's buzz words (big motor players etc.) But it felt odd not to see an US college player not picked until much later in the draft.

I saw that interview and fully agree that it felt a bit odd...really surprised they never took Boldy tbh.

 

[F A N]

I recall some reports that the Canucks drafting appeared to take a step back this year in terms of the depth rounds. Though we've largely failed to generate anything after the first round in like 5 years, so I dunno how you measure success. At some point I think everyone will realize this period in the team history was fairly poor at the draft table outside of picks in the top ten (which were also rather hit or miss).

Exactly. Since 2016, our 5th round picks and later have not been good. I hope Jett Woo turns into a player but right now, Lind and Gadjovich aren't looking like good picks. I still like Madden, Dipietro, Rathbone, and Lockwood.

I don't think the Canucks' draft this year was all that exciting, but the Canucks' top 3 picks this past draft were solid picks relative to where they were drafted. The others I think are all draftable. If there is one big knock, none of the later round picks have high end skill. Focht reminds me a bit of the Brett McKenzie pick. I think there is some development project for guys like Malone and McDonough. Plasek is probably my least favourite pick in this year's draft, but his skill level might be the highest of the forwards drafted in the later rounds.

 

[rypper]

Thanks rypper.
It's been a very busy/fun summer so far and I haven't been keeping up so I appreciate the response

And just to confirm...this happened just after the draft right?

Yeah July 4th.

Canucks lose three from amateur scouting staff

 

[TruGr1t]

Exactly. Since 2016, our 5th round picks and later have not been good. I hope Jett Woo turns into a player but right now, Lind and Gadjovich aren't looking like good picks. I still like Madden, Dipietro, Rathbone, and Lockwood.

I don't think the Canucks' draft this year was all that exciting, but the Canucks' top 3 picks this past draft were solid picks relative to where they were drafted. The others I think are all draftable. If there is one big knock, none of the later round picks have high end skill. Focht reminds me a bit of the Brett McKenzie pick. I think there is some development project for guys like Malone and McDonough. Plasek is probably my least favourite pick in this year's draft, but his skill level might be the highest of the forwards drafted in the later rounds.

I dunno. Maybe we were spoiled by the Bieksas, Edlers, Burrows, Hansens, Tanevs, etc. For a long time we seemed to be generating pretty good depth players (and legitimately great players that were surprises) out of the system. That hasn't been the case for a while. I guess Stecher is the exception.

It's discouraging that we aren't seeing much in terms of solid development out of the system. Outside of the guys you mentioned it's pretty bleak.

 

[The Drop]

This seems to confirm all the draft stuff

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Oh yeah, some scouts were just fired weren't they. Yeah, Benning and Weisbrod have purged everyone else who can do their job worth shit. Only a matter of time before they came for the last competent CSE employee.

 

[F A N]

I dunno. Maybe we were spoiled by the Bieksas, Edlers, Burrows, Hansens, Tanevs, etc. For a long time we seemed to be generating pretty good depth players (and legitimately great players that were surprises) out of the system. That hasn't been the case for a while. I guess Stecher is the exception.

It's discouraging that we aren't seeing much in terms of solid development out of the system. Outside of the guys you mentioned it's pretty bleak.

I think your memory is just long so it seems like yesterday (I do the same thing). Burrows and Tanev weren't drafted. Edler, Hansen and Burrows were acquired under Nonis. Bieksa was a Burke draft pick who made the NHL in his draft + 5 season. Right now, outside of Stetcher and then Gaudette, McEwen, and one UFA Dman who might end up being that, there aren't really the type of depth players or legitimately great players that were surprises ready to compete for a spot on the Canucks. It would have been nice to see Lockwood turn pro. I think there are some potentials but I'm not going to get my hopes up until I see them contributing for the Canucks.

 

[Bleach Clean]

This was bound to happen. I expected Brackett to push back at some point. Benning is not going to let the scouting department run autonomously. It's just not in his make up. With 3 scouts leaving/being fired, and now with this Brackett rumour, it's becoming clear that there's enough critique of Benning within the scouting department that an opposition is forming.

Brackett is only the figurehead to it, IMO. He wouldn't be acting alone and without insight from the others.

This seems to confirm all the draft stuff

Looks like you were right about that interview.