News Article: MacArthur sounds off on former coach Carlyle

[Do Make Say Think]

Carlyle is an awesome coach

He just didn't like MacArthur and Grabovski and they felt the same way

What's the big deal?

 

[R2010]

You're wasting your time. The hate for all things Leafs on this board is nearing obsession.

You don't need to hate the leafs to realize that Carlyle can be a ******.

Also for the defensive leaf fan who showed up - a great coach wouldn't have screwed up against the Bruins the way he did in the 3rd.

 

[X66]

You don't need to hate the leafs to realize that Carlyle can be a ******.

Also for the defensive leaf fan who showed up - a great coach wouldn't have screwed up against the Bruins the way he did in the 3rd.

So is Claude Julien a terrible coach because he's chocked a 3 game series lead as well as a 3 goal lead in game 7 as well? Is he not a good coach because his team blew it in 17 seconds this year?

Is Mike Babcock a terrible coach because his team blew a 3-1 series lead to Chicago this year?

Isolated events shouldn't define a coach.

 

[Rayban*]

You don't need to hate the leafs to realize that Carlyle can be a ******.

Also for the defensive leaf fan who showed up - a great coach wouldn't have screwed up against the Bruins the way he did in the 3rd.

Mac and Grabo were singled out by him all season and neither of them wanted to leave T.O, they just understandably bitter.

And 2 goals in the last minute of a game while your top faceoff guy is injured is just a fluke there's nothing that a coach can do at that point.

 

[Slack]

Good article, seems like a ton of players have similar things to say about him on the way out the door of their particular team. And the comment section is predictably stupid hollering.

It's too early to say with any shred of certainty, but in the preseason and last night's game it seems that the Stache is already getting the best out of MacArthur. Hope things continue that way.

 

[aragorn]

Carlyle just isn't a great coach. There's no need to get offended here. We've had plenty of poor coaches, such as Craig Hartsburgh, Cory Clouston and John Paddock. Good thing we've found a keeper in MacLean.

He's 2nd in all active coaches in playoff winning percentage.

He's 9th in points per-game(team wise) as an active coach, would be 6th had he not coached that terrible Leafs team when he first arrived(when he replaced Wilson).

Plus a cup to boot, not that great though.

Exactly. A lot of people on here think JM was a great coach yet Spezza hated him for a while, maybe still does. I'm not a fan of how Carlyle coaches but I also can't argue with his success regardless of what some players say. His style seems to work in getting the most out of some players but at the same time diminishing others. I would agree his style only lasts for short periods of time before there is a mutiny & the players quit on him. Keenan is like that, Torts is like that as well even his boyfriend Brad Richards won't talk to him any more.

 

[Kyle93]

You guys realize Mac and Grabo were outplayed last year and regularly played 3rd line minutes or even scratched. There was no room for them in the top 6 and they hated it. Its not really professional talking back against a coach after leaving. Carlyle is a coach that preaches that you need to earn a spot and if not well, you're getting lesser minutes or maybe even not playing.

 

[Powdered Toast Man]

Being treated like crap, even in the name of something like team success, is difficult for most people to accept. I can't blame them either.

 

[utah]

Jack Adams Awards:

Randy Carlyle - 0
Paul MacLean - 1

MacArthur will thrive in Ottawa vs Toronto, simply because we have the better coach.

 

[Minister of Offence]

You guys realize Mac and Grabo were outplayed last year and regularly played 3rd line minutes or even scratched. There was no room for them in the top 6 and they hated it. Its not really professional talking back against a coach after leaving. Carlyle is a coach that preaches that you need to earn a spot and if not well, you're getting lesser minutes or maybe even not playing.

Neither of us know for sure but you're doing objectivity a disservice might not considering the chance that Grabo and Mac didn't play to standard because of Carlyle's treatment.

 

[SlapJack]

Isolated events shouldn't define a coach.

Like winning a Stanley cup with 2 hall of fame defensemen?

 

[Senscore]

You guys realize Mac and Grabo were outplayed last year and regularly played 3rd line minutes or even scratched. There was no room for them in the top 6 and they hated it. Its not really professional talking back against a coach after leaving. Carlyle is a coach that preaches that you need to earn a spot and if not well, you're getting lesser minutes or maybe even not playing.

So I guess we can expect Kadri to bail this summer?

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Lol, Carlyle's a joke.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

He had a really good team in Anaheim

Yup a good team with veteran players like Pronger, Selanne, the Niedermayer brothers, and Marchant to shelter the kids from Carlyle a little.

Carlyle has done a good job with the Leafs so far, but his love for the plumbers will spell a short lived life in TO I think.

 

[X66]

Like winning a Stanley cup with 2 hall of fame defensemen?

Are you comparing a playoff run(4 rounds) to a single game or single series?

Lol, many teams that win the cup(even once) have Hall of Fame players on it, it's still an accomplishment to finish.

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

Why does it matter to Leafs fans so much that some people don't like Carlyle?

Carlyle has had success, but he's also been critique too. He will have players dislike him based on his style of play. It may not benefit him at all times, and will likely have some players do poorly under his system and coaching. But that doesn't mean he can't have a successful team.

Personally, I'd rather a coach like MacLean, who's extremely communicative, and the team knows exactly what to expect. And if they don't play well, they don't play as much, but the players know exactly what they need to do to play better.

People all learn differently and thrive in different environments. MacA and Ryan don't thrive under a Carlyle system, and Carlyle did nothing to try to make them thrive. It is what it is, and players will thrive under that system.

 

[Hutz]

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=426967

2 players on the same coach is even funnier.

2 players 1 coach... i think i saw that video... it was not fun


Said before MacArthur was one of the few players who really impressed me last night. Up against another former team, let's hope he keeps it up. Hopefully he can send Randy a message with a goal or two.

 

[R2010]

Mac and Grabo were singled out by him all season and neither of them wanted to leave T.O, they just understandably bitter.

And 2 goals in the last minute of a game while your top faceoff guy is injured is just a fluke there's nothing that a coach can do at that point.

He should have called a timeout after the goal making it a 3 goal game. The team was totally rattled. Everyone looked scared.

 

[TSA0402]

I was shocked, and genuinely impressed on how badly MacArthur wanted to stick it to his old team. He played like a guy who hated the Leafs more than most Sens fans do.

 

[SlapJack]

Are you comparing a playoff run(4 rounds) to a single game or single series?

Lol, many teams that win the cup(even once) have Hall of Fame players on it, it's still an accomplishment to finish.

It's a single event....one playoff. Too many people get anointed great because of what can be a hot streak.

I'm not saying that's the case here because Anaheim was dominant and deserving of their cup win, but it doesn't necessarily make Carlyle a great coach any more than Tortorella or Bob Hartley.

 

[Matte99]

From the interview it seems his main stab at Carlyle was that he is an *******, not that he lacks understanding about hockey or have a bad system. There are people who simply c.b.a. to treat people with respect and refer to "being professional" as reason to not treat professionals as humans.

Generally speaking, *******s likes *******s and sympathies with their methods without the least empathy for those getting treated poorly.

Just be happy he isn't the coach of the Senators... young players/people often struggles to perform with people who constantly puts them down.

 

[coachbob]

I was shocked, and genuinely impressed on how badly MacArthur wanted to stick it to his old team. He played like a guy who hated the Leafs more than most Sens fans do.

Wow. Shocking. A player who was shown the door by his former team after underachieving and being seen as easily replaced (and more cheaply) by another free agent (mason raymond), is upset....boohoo. What a piss poor attitude and one that will follow him the rest of his career as a crybaby.
Good luck Clarke.

 

[Vaclav Varada]

Wow. Shocking. A player who was shown the door by his former team after underachieving and being seen as easily replaced (and more cheaply) by another free agent (mason raymond), is upset....boohoo. What a piss poor attitude and one that will follow him the rest of his career as a crybaby.
Good luck Clarke.

Sounds like you're the one crying

 

[coachbob]

Sounds like you're the one crying

Crying????? Not at all. Just dissappointed that a "professional" would take to the media to air his dirty laundry. This stuff happens all the time. MacArhtur ran his course in Toronto (after being walked away from by Buffalo and Atlanta). The same will happen in Ottawa. I'm just saying that next time he may not find a job.