LT's HF Fantasy Draft - Discussion

[hockeynorth]

If interested in draft 3 interact with or respond to this message, not doing signup thread yet until i gauge interest

random bracket/draft slots, 32 teams, 3 trades per, no three team trades, 2022-2023 season, 82.5 cap

 

[McMozesmadness]

Great pick. Somehow Samberg went undrafted last time, thought for sure I’d be able to nab him with my next pick.

I’ve always liked him as a prospect. The Jets are taking their time with him. Seemed like a good gamble. Was him or Rathbone, who went pretty soon after

 

[LT]

Please post here if you are forfeiting all or any of your picks in rounds 21-23.

Dallas is forfeiting all three.

 

[LT]

Dallas is also DQ'd for not reaching even half of the cap floor.

 

[Gecklund]

Dallas is also DQ'd for not reaching even half of the cap floor.

Vegas is DQ’d for going over salary cap of 80M.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Please post here if you are forfeiting all or any of your picks in rounds 21-23.

Dallas is forfeiting all three.

I will be forfeiting one of them.

 

[Makaveli]

We will be forfeiting picks in rounds 22 and 23.

 

[McDrai]

SEA also forfeit remaining picks

 

[LT]

Every roster now has at least 20 players.

After the clock ends tonight, the last three rounds will be fully open (first come, first serve). You can take up to three spare players for a total of 23.

Any picks not used by the end of the day tomorrow will be forfeited.

Voting will begin on Saturday.

 

[LT]

Also, you MUST have a roster posted WITH THE TOTAL CAP SPENT. Please have this posted by Saturday morning. If you don't have a roster posted, you'll be automatically knocked out in the first round.

 

[PostBradMalone]

If interested in draft 3 interact with or respond to this message, not doing signup thread yet until i gauge interest

random bracket/draft slots, 32 teams, 3 trades per, no three team trades, 2022-2023 season, 82.5 cap

You got three likes. 11 teams each is enough to run this *****!

 

[Gecklund]

LT made it a free for all for the last few picks for those not on discord.

 

[McMozesmadness]

LT made it a free for all for the last few picks for those not on discord.

We gotta not do that shit. It’s f***ing annoying. Let’s just finish off the thing. We’re almost done

I’ll make my picks then

 

[LT]

We gotta not do that shit. It’s f***ing annoying. Let’s just finish off the thing. We’re almost done

I’ll make my picks then

Sorry. Shouldn’t have done that.

 

[belair]

Are we just finishing this or is there still an order?

 

[LT]

Are we just finishing this or is there still an order?

Just finish, I opened up the rest.

To be fair most of the draft would’ve finished today if we kept track of skips with a 15 minute clock and autoskips with an active missed pick. That’s 4 picks an hour, so even if everyone is here and taking the full 15 minutes, we’d still get through a minimum of 56 picks or just under two rounds.

I probably opened it a couple hours too early still, but I imagine the actual math would have this draft finishing today too.

 

[emptyNedder]

This was fun--if time-consuming.

Pleased that the Islanders roster is really balanced:

+ 40-goal scorer (who paced for 50); two 30 goals scorers (both paced for 35); one 20 goal scorer and two rookies who would have surpassed 20 goals had they played 75+ games.
+ Trevor Moore played at a 70-point pace once elevated to the 2nd line.
+ Boldy had an amazing impact on his line mates. Fiala had been a 65-point player the previous two seasons and was on pace for 59 points until Boldy arrived. Fiala scored at a 102-point pace after. Forsberg/Larkin/Boldy actually gives each slightly better line mates than they have on their actual teams.
+ The team is making a slight gamble on Lundell stepping up as a 2nd line C--though his 23g/33a pace of last season is solid for most 2Cs. Plus Lundell is in the Danault/Cirelli/Eriksson Ek defensive tier.
+ The third line will get more O-zone starts and will be another scoring line. Pelletier gets a chance to thrive with two veterans like Hayes and Okposo.
+ The fourth line wingers make it the fastest fourth line in the game. Bonino's presence means the fourth line can match up with even the best opposition lines in the D-zone.

+ The D is physical. Two of the top 20 players in hits last season. More impressively neither Romanov nor Fehervary took an inordinate number of penalties, so their hits were almost always within the flow of the game. Seider also had a significant number of hits and with his size/strength they were even more impactful. Ziatsev has been physical throughout his career without be undisciplined.
+ The pairings look really good on paper. Romanov/Seider can skate and bang against the best and take tough D-zone matchups if needed. Fehervary already covers for Carlson--being the responsible one with Montour works well as the 2nd pairing can get more O-zone time. Staal/Zaitsev add veteran experience that should be valuable to the three youngsters.
+ The three extras all have some potential to earn playing time. Blankenburg has received raves from his coach (in fact, I believe there is a chance he allows Montour to move to 3rd pairing by the end of the season).
+ Special teams are strong, with the PK being one of the very best.


Filip Forsberg (8.5)----Dylan Larkin (6.1)----Matt Boldy (.881)
Adrian Kempe (5.5)---Anton Lundell (.925)--Trevor Moore (1.875)
Jakob Pelletier (.863)-Kevin Hayes (7.143)-Kyle Okposo (6.0)
Eric Robinson (1.6)-Nick Bonino (2.05)-Logan O'Connor (1.05)
Brett Howden (1.5)

Alexander Romanov (.894) -Moritz Seider (.863)
Martin Fehervary (.792)-Brandon Montour (3.5)
Marc Staal (.750)----Nikita Zaitsev (4.5)
Nick Blankenburg (.825)

Tristan Jarry (3.5)
Brian Elliott (.900)
Lukas Dostal (.823)



CAP HIT 61.296

PP1: Seider/Forsberg/Larkin/Boldy/Kempe
PP2: Montour/Lundell/Hayes/Okposo/Bonino

PK1: Fehervary/Zaitsev/Lundell/Kempe
PK1*: Robinson/O'Connor
PK2: Romanov/Seider/Bonino/Moore

 

[Panda Bear]

> fastest fourth line
> Bonino is on it
> apparently faster than Lomberg-Lizotte-Cousins

Romanov will get eaten alive on the top pair, and Montour requires heavy sheltering.

You'll go farther with:
Fehervary - Seider
Romanov - Zaitsev
Staal - Montour

 

[Gecklund]

> fastest fourth line
> Bonino is on it
> apparently faster than Lomberg-Lizotte-Cousins

Romanov will get eaten alive on the top pair, and Montour requires heavy sheltering.

You'll go farther with:
Fehervary - Seider
Romanov - Zaitsev
Staal - Montour

Bonino also played best as a winger last year. Limited sample size but I think he paced for like 40-50 goals over a 10-15 game sample size.

 

[emptyNedder]

> fastest fourth line
> Bonino is on it
> apparently faster than Lomberg-Lizotte-Cousins

Romanov will get eaten alive on the top pair, and Montour requires heavy sheltering.

You'll go farther with:
Fehervary - Seider
Romanov - Zaitsev
Staal - Montour

Romanov will be playing with Seider. He also played slightly more against top lines last season than other line matchups and had significant d-zone usage. Although Seider is a big offensive driver, he is also the top defensive D man--if he makes another step next year he will be approaching elite 2-way quality. While Seider isn't quite there yet, remember Hedman partnered with Rutta quite often. So "eaten alive" is good word construction, but hyperbole.

I do think Fehervary is slightly better, but he has been really successful paired with Carlson, who needs as much if not more sheltering than Montour. I understand Montour on 3rd pair but PMD is more important for the second pairing. Romanov/Zaitsev limits transition.

 

[PostBradMalone]

K. Fiala - A. Matthews - V. Nichushkin
A. Duclair - N. Kadri - B. Coleman
Y. Trenin - J.G. Pageau - M. Wood
G. Denisenko - J. McBain - T. Boyd
B. Boyle

T. Krug - M. Weegar
N. Leddy - D. DeMelo
J. Merrill - J. Rutta
E. Brannstrom

V. Husso
A. Raanta

Cap: $79,653,583​

> AKA the Advanced Stats Heroes. JFresh would need fresh pants at seeing a lineup with Matthews, Nuke, Weegar, Coleman, and Wood in it.

> Fiala-Matthews-Nuke will be a nightmare on the forecheck, but also good defensively.

> 2nd line built around a legit first line center, plus a 30 goal scorer in Duclair and another great 5 on 5 winger in Coleman.

> Strong defensive third line that can match up against heavies plus score a bit.

> Dec fourth line that has a 30-point vet (AKA Arizona’s 1C lol) and two promising kids, plus Boyle who can come in if the team needs even more defense.

> Also loving the versatility: Fiala, Nuke, Coleman, Duclair, Wood and Boyd can all play different forward positions to mix things up if the lines aren’t clicking.

 

[Panda Bear]

Romanov will be playing with Seider. He also played slightly more against top lines last season than other line matchups and had significant d-zone usage. Although Seider is a big offensive driver, he is also the top defensive D man--if he makes another step next year he will be approaching elite 2-way quality. While Seider isn't quite there yet, remember Hedman partnered with Rutta quite often. So "eaten alive" is good word construction, but hyperbole.

I do think Fehervary is slightly better, but he has been really successful paired with Carlson, who needs as much if not more sheltering than Montour. I understand Montour on 3rd pair but PMD is more important for the second pairing. Romanov/Zaitsev limits transition.

Whether it before or after Martin St Louis got hired, Romanov played softer minutes than Barron, Chiarot, Edmundson and Petry. Montour played softer minutes than Weegar, Forsling, Ekblad and Gudas. They both bled chances last season, and that's a running theme with Montour throughout his career. You just placed one on your top pairing and the other on your second pairing. I have no idea what source you're using that says otherwise.

The most important thing for any pairing is not fishing pucks out of their own net. Maybe Romanov grows his game enough next season to prove me wrong, but recent evidence--the best kind of evidence--says that you're making a mistake throwing Romanov up there right now.

P.S. Just had a lol that Carlson either requires as much or even more sheltering than Montour.

 

[Panda Bear]

> AKA the Advanced Stats Heroes. JFresh would need fresh pants at seeing a lineup with Matthews, Nuke, Weegar, Coleman, and Wood in it.

> Fiala-Matthews-Nuke will be a nightmare on the forecheck, but also good defensively.

> 2nd line built around a legit first line center, plus a 30 goal scorer in Duclair and another great 5 on 5 winger in Coleman.

> Strong defensive third line that can match up against heavies plus score a bit.

> Dec fourth line that has a 30-point vet (AKA Arizona’s 1C lol) and two promising kids, plus Boyle who can come in if the team needs even more defense.

> Also loving the versatility: Fiala, Nuke, Coleman, Duclair, Wood and Boyd can all play different forward positions to mix things up if the lines aren’t clicking.

JFresh is a fancy charts man who overrates players who get soft minutes on good teams and underrates players who get hard minutes on bad teams.

Your top six is excellent, and Weegar was a steal where you got him. Weegar is one of the few players out there where you can get away with Krug on your top pair.

Leddy-DeMelo will be good in transition. DeMelo decent at exiting zone, Leddy excellent in transition overall. Leddy is a liability in his own end, though, and neither of them accomplish much of anything in the offensive zone.

I see your third line struggling to create offence, but it does have great defensive fundamentals.

 

[emptyNedder]

The most important thing for any pairing is not fishing pucks out of their own net. Maybe Romanov grows his game enough next season to prove me wrong, but recent evidence--the best kind of evidence--says that you're making a mistake throwing Romanov up there right now.

I will repeat comments from Discord: Romanov's numbers were top 1/3 of the league in 20/21 against Elite competition. So he can handle it. However his offensive zone starts were 52.7% and Montreal was a good team. In 21/22 Montreal was horrid and Romanov had 33.3% offensive zone starts against elite competition. Thought about contextually, his skills didn't deteriorate drastically. Romanov with 45-50% offensive zone starts, a partner the quality of Seider, and much better teammates in general will be fine.

 

[hockeynorth]

Vegas is DQ’d for going over salary cap of 80M.

i already said that