Post-Game Talk: Look at the Flowers, Leafs - lost 6-4 to Florida
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I am not letting Reimer off the hook yeah those 3 goals on 5 shots were the nail in the coffin but at the same time he is not the only reason we are going to lose games. I mean go back and watch the 1st period because we had no reason to be in this game. Hell we had no reason to be up 4-2 going into the 3rd.
If we want sustained success we need to limit shots and give our goalies a break. (Bernier included.)
But at the end of the day this team just does not want to play a more safe game for whatever reason and I think we made a step in the right direction with guys like Winnik, Santa, Booth, etc this summer but at the end of the day these guys are not the ones playing 18+ minutes a night and as long as the top line continues to prefer trading off the rush chances over a sustained cycle game we will continue to remain a bottom of the barrel possession team and will most likely continue to be within that Wild Card/Bubble playoff team location.
I actually have a fear this offseason for how much Bernier is going to demand for a contract because if he can keep his numbers hovering around .920 and sub 2.7 GAA with us giving up 35+ shots a night... May get into the 6 to 7 per territory. (Then again he is a RFA so we have some leverage but what is to stop someone like EDM with tons of cap just offer sheeting after seeing what he can do for our team?)
in the third period the team allowed just 5 shots and Reimer let in 3 of them
Flat out unacceptable. The true #1 goalies shut it down in these situations. The fact that Reimer can turn into swiss cheese in these moments is exactly why Bernier was acquired.
So many times tonight I watched Reimer struggle with point shots, giving up rebounds where Bernier would just catch or smother.
I honestly love Reimer. But he's just not as good. Period.
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2 goals on 3 shots to start the 3rd. Both from the blue line, neither tipped or screened .
Game over. Goaltender failed
Game over. Goaltender failed
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Well if you trust Shanny/Dubas to properly evaluate the players, Kessel/Phaneuf/Kadri and all, then you have to trust them to properly evaluate the coach.
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Leafs couldn't use a number 1 two way centre like Gilmour?
Can't use a face off king and shut down line like Zezel Berg and Osbourne?
Can't at all use the leadership and grit of Wendel Clark as a captain?
No sense having a blue line that is a mix of puck moving and will clear the crease?
How exactly has the game "changed" that the above aren't desired attributes in a team.
Carlyle absolutely WILL NOT get fired mid-season and absolutely WILL get fired after this season, completely inconsequentially to how the season plays out.
If Leafs lose out every last single one of their games, Carlyle will be the bench boss to the end (but that's going to cut things pretty close). If Leafs win the Cup and Carlyle wins the Jack Adams, and leaked locker room footage shows him giving an Oscar worthy speech that rallies the team, guess what... he gets fired this off-season, anyways.
This be how it is.
It's changed in the sense that clearing the crease is now interference, for starters...
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Reimer let in too many at the end of the day, but the team played like crap also. They had a great second and figured they didn't need to play the other 2 periods. Shockingly that doesn't work against teams.
Reimer bailed them out huge in the first, was good in the second, and had some weak moments in the third. Not the reason they lost at any rate.
Reimer bailed them out huge in the first, was good in the second, and had some weak moments in the third. Not the reason they lost at any rate.
As bad as it may sound, but Luongo may have actually ended up stealing that game for the Panthers, despite only facing 17 shots. The 4 goals allowed on the first 12 shot attempts was not on him, and he actually kept his team in the game in the first 2 periods by coming up huge a few times, including on Kessel's breakaway.
Tonight, goaltending was the difference. Swap the two goalies and we walk away with 2 points, and a blowout at that. Both defenses were horrible, and we had the better chances.
How fitting is it that Reimer's the one to bust the 14-0-0 record going into the 3rd with a lead?
Tonight, goaltending was the difference. Swap the two goalies and we walk away with 2 points, and a blowout at that. Both defenses were horrible, and we had the better chances.
How fitting is it that Reimer's the one to bust the 14-0-0 record going into the 3rd with a lead?
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This game sums up the Leafs in a nutshell, and why this team needs change badly. As a team, we're not doing anything that is encouraging or which indicates that this team is any good. We're getting outshot, losing faceoffs 42-20, and basically doing everything badly against one of the worst teams in the NHL, but almost won the game, that we had no business winning, cause of our usual opportunistic scoring.
This team is flawed and we only win when one of two factors seem to be going for this team: great goaltending or opportunistic scoring.
Worst team?
- Florida has 40 points verses Toronto's 43 points but have 3 games in hand on the Leafs.
- Florida has given up 86 GA while Toronto has surrendered 108 (+22 goals more).
- Florida is #19 in Shots against per game 29.9 while Toronto is #29 with 34.4 shots/g.
- Florida is #8 overall in CF% (On Ice Corsi) possession 52.8% while Toronto is #27 at 45.1%.
- Florida won 43 of 64 face-offs with Leafs Bozak 29.6%, Kadri 30.8%, Holland 42.8, Winnik 28.6% in FO%
- Luongo made 13 saves on 17 shots while Reimer made 28 on 34 shots against.
Which is the worst team? .. The stats suggest the best team won.
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Reimer stopped the first 20 Florida shots before the Leafs scored the games first goal on their 5th shot on net @ 6:39 of the 2nd period, while Luongo only faced 17 shots in the entire game, for an easy night in net.
Reimer made 28 saves and lost it for the Leafs while Luongo made 13 saves and won it?
Shouldn't the real accountability be placed on the shooters and not the stoppers for the results in this one?
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I thought Lupul played well, created opportunities, 6 hits.
Made 2 assists that were for tap in goals.
Not sure I buy the results completely, scrambled draws perhaps should be recorded as a tie, but the Leafs were destroyed at the dot. Doesn't help when your wingers would rather stay safe.
Reimer might want the top corner back from the point, but the tips by both opposition and teammates are tough for any keeper.
Made 2 assists that were for tap in goals.
Not sure I buy the results completely, scrambled draws perhaps should be recorded as a tie, but the Leafs were destroyed at the dot. Doesn't help when your wingers would rather stay safe.
Reimer might want the top corner back from the point, but the tips by both opposition and teammates are tough for any keeper.
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So players like Shea Weber, Zdeno Chara or even Kevin Beiksa have no value to their teams? Someone who is a little imposing but agile has no value in this "changed" game? Interesting.
That was for starters, what else…?
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Obviously, the Panthers were the better team.
Tie goal for the Panthers, Mitchell, assists Kadri, Huberdeau, meaningless screen in front by Kadri.
Perhaps Holzer should come back into the line-up? Provide a little more guts and strength on the blueline.
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The trade that keeps on giving.
Brad Boyes scored the game winning goal against the Leafs 10 years after Owen Nolan played his last game and was bought out by the Leafs.
Boyes was one of the assets Leafs traded to acquire Nolan for their playoff drive (7 games 0-2-2 points).
Jimmy Hayes scored his 10th goal of the season against the Leafs also whom the Leafs traded to draft Brad Ross with. Ross has 3-3-6 points in the AHL.
Brad Boyes scored the game winning goal against the Leafs 10 years after Owen Nolan played his last game and was bought out by the Leafs.
Boyes was one of the assets Leafs traded to acquire Nolan for their playoff drive (7 games 0-2-2 points).
Jimmy Hayes scored his 10th goal of the season against the Leafs also whom the Leafs traded to draft Brad Ross with. Ross has 3-3-6 points in the AHL.
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Once again a high shooting % for the leagues highest scoring team mask the problems. Bottom 5 in all other stats. We had no business winning that game and for a while looked like we would. All this against a team that had the 1st overall pick last year and is currently 3 points behind us in the wild card race. This team is flawed and as a group lacking.
LOL @ blaming the goalie. LOL.
Yeah Reimer wasn't "out of his head" great vs. the Panthers but he wasn't awful either. I was actually a little sick to my stomach that the Leafs were winning 4-2 going into the third.
I actually don't like this team putting up W's when they play as unispired as they did last night. One thing they are able to do is capitalize on their chances. Other than that they pretty much sucked all night. Terrible. Winning those games just perpetuates the problems.
I see the usual suspects blaming Reimer. Joke. The team wins very few games where the goalie is just ordinary....the usual suspects want to point to the 3rd period...blaming goaltending as the reason for the loss but if you are objective you will realize that the Leafs had no business being up 4-2 in the first place as Reimer was the main reason for that to begin with.
This is the same garbage team. Same garbage core as it has been the last 5 years. Blame the goalie if you want. That doesn't change anything.
Yeah Reimer wasn't "out of his head" great vs. the Panthers but he wasn't awful either. I was actually a little sick to my stomach that the Leafs were winning 4-2 going into the third.
I actually don't like this team putting up W's when they play as unispired as they did last night. One thing they are able to do is capitalize on their chances. Other than that they pretty much sucked all night. Terrible. Winning those games just perpetuates the problems.
I see the usual suspects blaming Reimer. Joke. The team wins very few games where the goalie is just ordinary....the usual suspects want to point to the 3rd period...blaming goaltending as the reason for the loss but if you are objective you will realize that the Leafs had no business being up 4-2 in the first place as Reimer was the main reason for that to begin with.
This is the same garbage team. Same garbage core as it has been the last 5 years. Blame the goalie if you want. That doesn't change anything.
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Corsi is not wrong, and the larger the sample size becomes the more times the advanced stats come out in front of the boxscore with the better team that controls the shot clock and time clock coming out ahead as the stats imply should be the result.
The problem with the Leafs is they think they're Corsi busters by having the leagues highest shooting %, but because of their poor team defense also require a top 5 save % to mask all their warts and flaws without the puck each game.
When Leafs goalie(s) don't steal the game with a top sv% he is often blamed for the loss when Corsi that says the team should have lost by the way its skaters performed in front of their goalie.
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Kyper and gang talked about the learning opportunity and said after the 2nd. period, Carlyle had a great opportunity but then they go and score 4 goals.
Well, those quick goals only masked the problem for about 10 minutes.
Very unlikeable characters on this team.
Like the team, not the players, but they're rentals so just another blip in the history of the Leafs.
This sums up the current leafs. Oddly enough it applies slightly to the last year Colorado Avalanche where they used top 5 goaltending + high G/GP along with a top 5 PP to secure a playoff position. As we can see this year with COL they are falling back towards the norm.
Like in a casino hot streaks are aberrations and in the end everything comes back to reality and we are just seeing what our team is... a flawed team with no cap space which thinks it can outscore all its problems.... Well you can't bank on this every night nor would I say you can bank on it 1/2 of the nights.
After having looked up the stats, it appears that the shot disparity is a direct result of the slow start, and getting outshot 13-3 in the first. While the slow start may have been irritating, it was clearly not the reason for the loss, carrying a 4-2 lead into the 3rd. In the 2nd and 3rd, the teams were apparently pretty evenly matched for shots (-2 shot differential).
If you want to make the argument that the Leafs had no business in being in the game after the first, that's different, but even that I'd disagree with. Going into 1st intermission with a 0-0 score may have been flattering to the Leafs, but it's not like Florida dominated and Remier stood on his head.
Edit: Reimer did start to look his scrambly old self as the game went on, and got caught on extended swims with the puck on the loose, causing anxious moments for the defense. Even without the soft goals allowed, he looked anything but graceful in net.
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