**LONG-TERM OUTLOOK** (~2024 Red Wings)

[blueadams]

I think the 2024-25 season is the perfect season to look to, in terms of looking at our **long-term** future. Not next year. Or the next year. But the next year.

**CENTERS**

1a. Larkin. He'll be 28 and still in his prime entering the 24-25 season. He'll need to be resigned at the end of the 22-23 season; all signs point to that happening.

1b. 2022 or 2023 1st rd. pick. Solid bet that we'll be taking a center at the top of either the 2022 or 2023 draft. This player will be 20 or 19 and in his 2nd or 1st NHL season.. if on a Lucas Raymond-like path.

3. Suter/FA/Trade? Suter, like Larin, will be 28 and still in his prime entering the 24-25 season. And he too will need to be resigned at the end of the 22-23 season. If he continues to play well, and the price is right, he certainly could be resigned. Or perhaps an upgrade could be found?

4. Rasmussen/FA/Trade? Rasmussen will be 25 entering the 24-25 season. He'll need to be resigned as an RFA at the end of the 23-24 season. Maybe he improves and secures this spot. Maybe an upgrade is brought in. Red Savage will probably still be a year away. Veleno and Niederbach are looking more like NHL wings. I'm sure we'll have someone solid here, regardless.

**TOP-SIX WINGS**

1. Raymond. He'll be 22 entering the 24-25 season. He'll need to be resigned as an RFA at the end of the 23-24 season. Looks like a legit #1 wing to me.

2. Vrana. Like Larkin and Suter, he'll be 28 and still in his prime entering the 24-25 season. He'll need to be resigned after the 23-24 season. If his play continues, and he's healthy, and the price is right.. sure, why not?

3. Bertuzzi. He'll be 29 and still in his prime entering the 24-25 season. He'll need to be resigned after the 22-23 season. As with Vrana, if his play continues, and he's healthy, and the price is right.. why not?

4. 2022 or 2023 1st rd. pick. Solid bet that both our 1st rd. picks in the next two drafts will be forwards. This pick will be 20 or 19, and in his 2nd or rookie NHL season.. if on a Luke Raymond-like path.

**BOTTOM-SIX WINGS**

1. Fabbri/FA/Trade? Like Larkin, Suter and Vrana, he'll be 28 and still in his prime entering the 24-25 season... and he'll still be in the last yr of his current contract. Maybe he'll be moved by then?

2. Soderblom. Elmer will be 23 entering the 24-25 season.. and probably in his 2nd full NHL season. He to me is the one sure bet in our current crop of forward prospects to be on this team. Super star potential. Very good bottom-six wing floor.

3/4/5/etc. This is where it's not so clear. Fortunately, there'll be a lot of solid candidates fighting for these spots. Zadina will be 25 entering the 24-25 season. He'll need to be resigned as an RFA after the 21-22 season. Maybe he'll be moved by then? Berggren will be 24 entering the 24-25 season.. and probably entering his 3rd full NHL season. He'll need to be resigned as an RFA after the 23-24 season. Veleno will also be 24 entering the 24-25 season. He'll need to be resigned as an RFA after the 22-23 season. Maybe he'll be moved by then? Mastrosimone will be 23 entering the 24-25 season.. coming off a 4yr NCAA career and 1st yr in the AHL. He could very well be ready for this spot. Tyutyayev will be 24 entering the 24-25 season.. coming off his 3rd full AHL season. There's a chance he could surprise and challenge for a spot. Mazur, Niederbach, Hanas, and Zito will probably all still be a year or two away, but who knows. There could be a fast-riser taken in the 2022 or 2023 draft. It could be Erne, Smith or a new edition. Lots of good strong candidates here.

**LHD**

1. Edvinsson. He'll be 21 entering the 24-25 season.. going into his 2nd or 3rd NHL season. All signs point to him being Seider-like.

2. Johansson. He'll be 23 entering the 24-25 season.. going into his 2nd or 3rd NHL season. He'll need to be resigned as an RFA after the 23-24 season. Maybe he's a #2. Maybe he's a #3. I think he's on this team. He's never going to be big enough to be a force in front of his own net, but he will be stronger in 3 yrs. He skates so well, and he's so smart, and he's going to be so well-coached.. it's hard to imagine him not being a positive defensive player. And he's so good with the puck; maybe he won't be a deadly slap-shot from the point.. but moving the puck, passing it, attacking the net when the opportunity arises. I see him being a plus player on this team.

3. Wallinder. He'll be 22 entering the 24-25 season.. probably going into his rookie NHL season. He's so big, and he skates so well. By all accounts he's very smart and coachable.. he's going to be very well-coached. He's really good with the puck, can shoot it a little bit, and certainly move it. I think he's going to end up being a very good defensive player with offensive skill. I think he'll be too good to not make this team.

4. Sebrango will be 22, and possibly ready to challenge for a spot. He'll need to be resigned as an RFA after the 23-24 season. He's got solid size, and could be pretty strong in 3 yrs. Solid skater. Probably not a scorer at the NHL level, but a solid puck-mover. By all accounts is very bright and coachable. Worst case he's a very solid 7th DMan in the event someone gets hurt or needs a break. Viro will also be 22, and possibly ready to challenge for the same spot. He'll need to be resigned as an RFA after the 23-24 season. Doesn't have Sebrango's size, but might move a little better, and move the puck a little better too. Very smart, mistake-free player in his own right. Buium will be 21, and probably still a yr away.

**RHD**

1. Seider. He'll be 23 entering the 24-25 season. He'll need to be resigned as an RFA after the 23-24 season. Looks like he'll be a Norris-candidate by this yr.

2. Hronek/FA/Trade? He'll be 27 and still in his prime entering the 24-25 season. He'll also need to be resigned as an RFA after the 23-24 season. Maybe eventually we bring in a better #2 on the right-side, but there might be a chance Hronek could possibly develop into one?

3. Lindstrom. He'll be 26 entering the 24-25 season. He'll need to be resigned as an RFA after the 22-23 season. Very solid 3rd pair DMan who should only be more solid in 3yrs.

Tuomisto will be 23 and possibly ready to challenge for a spot. Right now, his skating isn't there. In three years, possibly? Cotton will also be 23...but his D still needs a lot of work...maybe more than 3yrs worth.

**GOALIE**

1a. Ned. He'll be 28 and still in his prime entering the 24-25 season. He'll need to be signed after the 22-23 season. No reason to believe he won't be.

1b. Cossa/FA/Trade? Cossa will be 22. If he's on the Vasilevskiy-path.. he'll be splitting a 2nd consecutive season between the AHL and NHL (before being ready to take over as the full time NHL starter the next yr). Maybe he'll progress faster? Maybe slower? Shall see.

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[Oddbob]

2029 Wings outlook...........

 

[Gniwder]

2029 Wings outlook...........

Seider and 19 other guys

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

What will be the Oscar and grammy nominees for those years too?

 

[blueadams]

It's two years away. I'm not being That absurd..

 

[Gniwder]

It's two years away. I'm not being That absurd..

You have 92 posts....

If you scroll through the pages, you'll see we've done this type of stuff before. 2 years ago you would've assumed Cholo, AA, and Mantha would be on this team. Some would have said Svech as well. Then a few guys like me will say guys like Cholo and Svech are not gonna be on the team because they'll wash out of the NHL. Then we start arguing about who sucks, who doesn't, people get personal, start insulting each others mothers, the mods get involved, and we all get COVID.

Nobody here wants COVID.

 

[lilidk]

You have 92 posts....

If you scroll through the pages, you'll see we've done this type of stuff before. 2 years ago you would've assumed Cholo, AA, and Mantha would be on this team. Some would have said Svech as well. Then a few guys like me will say guys like Cholo and Svech are not gonna be on the team because they'll wash out of the NHL. Then we start arguing about who sucks, who doesn't, people get personal, start insulting each others mothers, the mods get involved, and we all get COVID.

Nobody here wants COVID.

But everyone will get it

 

[evolutionbaby]

Elmer a superstar?

 

[lilidk]

Elmer a superstar?

No , but Supertall

 

[Leadzedder]

You have 92 posts....

Funny that you give blueadams the new guy treatment. If you’re not familiar with the name, you haven’t been around that long.

 

[Henkka]

It's impossible to look that far ahead, because there's not many contracts including 2023-24. This Yzerman short-term policy is just crazy. I mean in a good way.

Next season is the only "long-term-look" I would be ready to make.

 

[Gniwder]

Funny that you give blueadams the new guy treatment. If you’re not familiar with the name, you haven’t been around that long.

See my join date....

I really didn't start posting much until the rebuild though I've followed the team since I moved to MI the first time in 1992.

Seems odd for someone who's been around 11 years to start another one of these 2 year roster projections when they're always wrong. Nobody would've predicted Leddy, Neddy, Suter, Empty Netmestnikov, Rowney, Mitchell, Oesterle, or Vrana 2 years ago.

Absolutely nobody would have predicted that Gags would still be here. That one is amazing, lol.

 

[blueadams]

See my join date....

I really didn't start posting much until the rebuild though I've followed the team since I moved to MI the first time in 1992.

Seems odd for someone who's been around 11 years to start another one of these 2 year roster projections when they're always wrong. Nobody would've predicted Leddy, Neddy, Suter, Empty Netmestnikov, Rowney, Mitchell, Oesterle, or Vrana 2 years ago.

Absolutely nobody would have predicted that Gags would still be here. That one is amazing, lol.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Seems odd for someone who's been around 11 years to start another one of these 2 year roster projections when they're always wrong. Nobody would've predicted Leddy, Neddy, Suter, Empty Netmestnikov, Rowney, Mitchell, Oesterle, or Vrana 2 years ago.

Absolutely nobody would have predicted that Gags would still be here. That one is amazing, lol.

We're moving into a stage of the rebuild where things will start to solidify more and more. Roster turnover should decrease and become more predictable.

 

[Gniwder]

We're moving into a stage of the rebuild where things will start to solidify more and more. Roster turnover should decrease and become more predictable.

Stevie will make whatever moves he feels is necessary, look at his history with Tampa. I doubt anyone had Sergachev or McDonough in their forecast.

I don't think anyone thought Mantha would be traded last season. The only 2 players I see as permanent fixtures are Larkin and Seider. I think Stevie is open to trading anyone else. So my forecast is:
x-Larkin-x
x-x-x
x-x-x
x-x-x

x-Seider
x-x
x-x

x
x


Pretty lame.

 

[lilidk]

Have no idea what happened in3 years , but next season going to be worse than this one. Ned, Seider and Seider will struggle a little bit . Team will sick and tired of Blashil. We will get awesome draft prospect. From that moment everything going to Get better and better

 

[Gniwder]

Have no idea what happened in3 years , but next season going to be worse than this one. Ned, Seider and Seider will struggle a little bit . Team will sick and tired of Blashil. We will get awesome draft prospect. From that moment everything going to Get better and better

Vrana should be healthy and Gagner, DDK, Staal, Greiss, Stetcher, Rowney and Leddy are UFA. Nielsen's buyout is reduced to $500k

Berggren would be an offensive improvement over Gagner, Joey can take over his PK duties. The issue I see is that Stevie probably won't do a major upgrade on D knowing he's got prospects in the pipeline. I can see Staal coming back, and the other UFA signing will probably be a low grade guy again.

The team really needs Stevie to sign a top end center like Hertl. Heck, I'd even consider Malkin if he'd take a 2 year contract. Offer him $10M x 2, the team has a ridiculous amount of cap space, at least while Seider and Raymond are on ELC. Heck, he could offer anyone a ridiculous 2 yr contract like Pavelski, Bergeron, Kadri, etc. Overpay for 2 years, like the Nemeth contract except pick a center. One of the old guys will probably bite.

Doesn't help the team at all long term, but at least it makes the games watchable. Then sign Auston Matthew in 2025 so we can admire his pornstache.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Stevie will make whatever moves he feels is necessary, look at his history with Tampa. I doubt anyone had Sergachev or McDonough in their forecast.

I don't think anyone thought Mantha would be traded last season. The only 2 players I see as permanent fixtures are Larkin and Seider. I think Stevie is open to trading anyone else. So my forecast is:
x-Larkin-x
x-x-x
x-x-x
x-x-x

x-Seider
x-x
x-x

x
x


Pretty lame.

I would be stunned if they moved Raymond. He has an enormous ceiling, I think you can get out the pen on him pretty soon here. I doubt we have given up on Edvinsson by this time period either. That and hopefully the 2022 center pick are what makes our core in my opinion. Stevie doesn't move his high-end talent, remember he thought about it for a beat with Hedman but thought the wiser of it.

 

[lilidk]

Vrana should be healthy and Gagner, DDK, Staal, Greiss, Stetcher, Rowney and Leddy are UFA. Nielsen's buyout is reduced to $500k

Berggren would be an offensive improvement over Gagner, Joey can take over his PK duties. The issue I see is that Stevie probably won't do a major upgrade on D knowing he's got prospects in the pipeline. I can see Staal coming back, and the other UFA signing will probably be a low grade guy again.

The team really needs Stevie to sign a top end center like Hertl. Heck, I'd even consider Malkin if he'd take a 2 year contract. Offer him $10M x 2, the team has a ridiculous amount of cap space, at least while Seider and Raymond are on ELC. Heck, he could offer anyone a ridiculous 2 yr contract like Pavelski, Bergeron, Kadri, etc. Overpay for 2 years, like the Nemeth contract except pick a center. One of the old guys will probably bite.

Doesn't help the team at all long term, but at least it makes the games watchable. Then sign Auston Matthew in 2025 so we can admire his pornstache.

Agree with you about long term. So far I see , he doesn't do big signing, 2 years 2-3 mil , but things could change he is elite GM

 

[Gniwder]

I would be stunned if they moved Raymond. He has an enormous ceiling, I think you can get out the pen on him pretty soon here. I doubt we have given up on Edvinsson by this time period either. That and hopefully the 2022 center pick are what makes our core in my opinion. Stevie doesn't move his high-end talent, remember he thought about it for a beat with Hedman but thought the wiser of it.

I don't think Raymond and Edv will get traded because I don't see another team offering so much that Stevie pulls a trigger on a trade. We're talking about a first line winger and a possible first pair D. That comes with a really high price tag, especially considering both might be teh best player to come out of their respective drafts.

The only way I can see them traded is if a GM was stupid enough to offer a package which includes a 1C.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I don't think Raymond and Edv will get traded because I don't see another team offering so much that Stevie pulls a trigger on a trade. We're talking about a first line winger and a possible first pair D. That comes with a really high price tag, especially considering both might be teh best player to come out of their respective drafts.

The only way I can see them traded is if a GM was stupid enough to offer a package which includes a 1C.

That's why I was arguing putting them on the roster. It just seems unlikely they would be moved by that date.

Bertuzzi, Hronek and others I can see Stevie surprising people with. But I think we have a core four here. Hopefully we homerun a center but then we have our bus drivers. Very exciting times, still a ways to go. But for a team that has starved of talent it is nice to see some higher end stuff appear.

I have argued that I think we could still stumble next year, but I believe in parts of this group again to take us somewhere. I guess time will tell.

 

[The Red Line]

I know its a blueadams thread, but why is anyone talking about trading Raymond or Edvinsson? Come on.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Stevie will make whatever moves he feels is necessary, look at his history with Tampa. I doubt anyone had Sergachev or McDonough in their forecast.

I don't think anyone thought Mantha would be traded last season. The only 2 players I see as permanent fixtures are Larkin and Seider. I think Stevie is open to trading anyone else. So my forecast is:
x-Larkin-x
x-x-x
x-x-x
x-x-x

x-Seider
x-x
x-x

x
x


Pretty lame.

X will most definitely not be there in 2 years let alone x and x. Pretty Trash take honestly

 

[Gniwder]

I know its a blueadams thread, but why is anyone talking about trading Raymond or Edvinsson? Come on.

Thank you for demonstrating exactly why these types of threads suck.

Nobody is saying they're on the trade block. I said Stevie is the type of GM that listens to all offers, that's all. Don;t try to spin my words into something I didn't say.

Now we have COVID. Nice job.

 

[jaster]

I read this thread and all I got was this wicked case of COVID.