hockeytown9321 said:
Would players want to include as much as possible in hockey revenue? Of course. Would owners try to hide as much as possible. Of course.
Of course, but some things are reasonable, and somethings are not. It was a long time ago so I doubt I could find it now, but I saw an article where one of the players was actually saying that one owner was not losing money on hockey because they had money coming in from the basketball team and other associated business that he also owned.
hockeytown9321 said:
The players wouldn't say that all the revenue from the bar should be counted as hockey revenue, but isn't it fair to assume the bar is going to generate more revenue on nights when an event takes place in the arena? So shouldn't the players see a certain percentage of that?
The point I was trying to make is that the only reason they can "try" to claim any money from the bar is if the team owner also owned the bar. If the bar is owned by Joe Schmoe, the players would have no way to get any money from Joe Schmoe, regardless of how much Joe profitted from the hockey team. Why should an owner fork over any more money to the players for other businesses they own if the players are not entitled to a share of that money from anyone else owning that kind of business?
hockeytown9321 said:
Its also very hard to determine what revenue they generate because the owners refuse to make all(and at this point, any) of their books available to the PA. Until every cent that the NHL makes is accounted for, there can be no "partnership"
And that is what the auditors, accountants and lawyers are for. To figure out exactly what income is coming in. I'm willing to bet you can identify 100% of the revenue streams and over 90% of the actual revenue coming in. The NFL and other leagues seem to have no problem doing that. The percentage you negotiate as your share then is based on the 90% you know and the uncertainty in the 10% you don't know. Kind of like the NHLPA could be saying "We don't think that these numbers on the board advertising (for example) are accurate, but we will accept 30% of that revenue, but we want 70% of this other revenue stream, which we are very sure of...", it's called negotiating and compromising.