List the high-end talent for each team

[Xspyrit]

Copy/paste this list and do your work. Leave out goalies.

Trying to get to a concensus, I want to know the apples and oranges when discussing.


Anaheim Ducks :
Arizona Coyotes :
Boston Bruins :
Buffalo Sabres :
Calgary Flames :
Carolina Hurricanes :
Chicago Blackhawks :
Colorado Avalanche :
Columbus Blue Jackets :
Dallas Stars :
Detroit Red Wings :
Edmonton Oilers :
Florida Panthers :
Los Angeles Kings :
Minnesota Wild :
Montreal Canadiens :
Nashville Predators :
New Jersey Devils :
New York Islanders :
New York Rangers :
Ottawa Senators :
Philadelphia Flyers :
Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Malkin
San Jose Sharks :
St. Louis Blues :
Tampa Bay Lightning :
Toronto Maple Leafs :
Vancouver Canucks :
Washington Capitals :
Winnipeg Jets :

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[HavlatMach9]

our own definition of high-end? Depending on the definition, Ryan may make the list

o i c it's a way to find out what people consider high end

 

[Back in Black]

Chris Phillips
Chris Neil

 

[SensNation613]

Anaheim Ducks : Getzlaf, Perry.
Arizona Coyotes : OEL.
Boston Bruins : Bergeron, Chara, Rask, Krejci.
Buffalo Sabres :
Calgary Flames : Giordano
Carolina Hurricanes :
Chicago Blackhawks : Toews, Kane, Keith.
Colorado Avalanche : Varlamov.
Columbus Blue Jackets : Johansen, Bobrovsky.
Dallas Stars : Seguin, Benn.
Detroit Red Wings : Datsyuk, Zetterberg.
Edmonton Oilers : Hall.
Florida Panthers :
Los Angeles Kings : Kopitar, Doughty, Quick.
Minnesota Wild : Suter.
Montreal Canadiens : Subban, Price.
Nashville Predators : Weber, Rinne.
New Jersey Devils :
New York Islanders : Tavares
New York Rangers : McDonagh, Lundqvist
Ottawa Senators : Karlsson
Philadelphia Flyers : Giroux
Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Malkin
San Jose Sharks :
St. Louis Blues : Pietrangelo
Tampa Bay Lightning : Stamkos, Hedman.
Toronto Maple Leafs : Kessel
Vancouver Canucks :
Washington Capitals : Ovechkin, Backstrom.
Winnipeg Jets :
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Anaheim Ducks : Getzlaf, Perry, Fowler, Kesler.
Arizona Coyotes : OEL, Yandle.
Boston Bruins : Bergeron, Chara, Krejci, Rask.
Buffalo Sabres :
Calgary Flames : Giordano
Carolina Hurricanes : Staal, Faulk.
Chicago Blackhawks : Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Seabrook.
Colorado Avalanche : Varlamov, Duchene, Landeskog, Johnson, Mackinnon.
Columbus Blue Jackets : Johansen, Bobrovsky.
Dallas Stars : Seguin, Benn, Spezza.
Detroit Red Wings : Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall.
Edmonton Oilers : Hall, RNH.
Florida Panthers : Ekblad, Luongo.
Los Angeles Kings : Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Carter.
Minnesota Wild : Suter, Parise.
Montreal Canadiens : Subban, Price, Pacioretty.
Nashville Predators : Weber, Rinne, Josi.
New Jersey Devils :
New York Islanders : Tavares, Okposo.
New York Rangers : McDonagh, Lundqvist, Nash.
Ottawa Senators : Karlsson, Ryan.
Philadelphia Flyers : Giroux, Voracek.
Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Malkin, Letang.
San Jose Sharks : Thornthon, Vlasic.
St. Louis Blues : Pietrangelo, Tarasenko.
Tampa Bay Lightning : Stamkos, Hedman.
Toronto Maple Leafs : Kessel.
Vancouver Canucks : D.Sedin, H.Sedin.
Washington Capitals : Ovechkin, Backstrom.
Winnipeg Jets :

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

Anaheim Ducks : Getzlaf, Perry.
Arizona Coyotes : OEL.
Boston Bruins : Bergeron, Chara, Rask, Krejci.
Buffalo Sabres :
Calgary Flames : Giordano
Carolina Hurricanes :
Chicago Blackhawks : Toews, Kane, Keith.
Colorado Avalanche : Varlamov.
Columbus Blue Jackets : Johansen, Bobrovsky.
Dallas Stars : Seguin, Benn.
Detroit Red Wings : Datsyuk, Zetterberg.
Edmonton Oilers : Hall.
Florida Panthers :
Los Angeles Kings : Kopitar, Doughty, Quick.
Minnesota Wild : Suter.
Montreal Canadiens : Subban, Price.
Nashville Predators : Weber, Rinne.
New Jersey Devils :
New York Islanders : Tavares
New York Rangers : McDonagh, Lundqvist
Ottawa Senators : Karlsson
Philadelphia Flyers : Giroux
Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Malkin
San Jose Sharks :
St. Louis Blues : Pietrangelo
Tampa Bay Lightning : Stamkos, Hedman.
Toronto Maple Leafs : Kessel
Vancouver Canucks :
Washington Capitals : Ovechkin, Backstrom.
Winnipeg Jets :
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Anaheim Ducks : Getzlaf, Perry, Fowler, Kesler.
Arizona Coyotes : OEL, Yandle.
Boston Bruins : Bergeron, Chara, Krejci, Rask.
Buffalo Sabres :
Calgary Flames : Giordano
Carolina Hurricanes : Staal, Faulk.
Chicago Blackhawks : Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Seabrook.
Colorado Avalanche : Varlamov, Duchene, Landeskog, Johnson, Mackinnon.
Columbus Blue Jackets : Johansen, Bobrovsky.
Dallas Stars : Seguin, Benn, Spezza.
Detroit Red Wings : Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall.
Edmonton Oilers : Hall, RNH.
Florida Panthers : Ekblad, Luongo.
Los Angeles Kings : Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Carter.
Minnesota Wild : Suter, Parise.
Montreal Canadiens : Subban, Price, Pacioretty.
Nashville Predators : Weber, Rinne, Josi.
New Jersey Devils :
New York Islanders : Tavares, Okposo.
New York Rangers : McDonagh, Lundqvist, Nash.
Ottawa Senators : Karlsson, Ryan.
Philadelphia Flyers : Giroux, Voracek.
Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Malkin, Letang.
San Jose Sharks : Thornthon, Vlasic.
St. Louis Blues : Pietrangelo, Tarasenko.
Tampa Bay Lightning : Stamkos, Hedman.
Toronto Maple Leafs : Kessel.
Vancouver Canucks : D.Sedin, H.Sedin.
Washington Capitals : Ovechkin, Backstrom.
Winnipeg Jets :

That's pretty fair, I'd say.

You guys remember when we had Spezza, Heatley/Hossa, Alfredsson, Chara, Redden, Hasek, and Havlat? (Not to mention Fisher, Vermette and Meszaros, Volchenkov and Phillips when they were really good)

I'm also listening to sad music while writing that...

 

[Benjamin]

Anaheim Ducks : Getzlaf, Perry(Fowler, Gibson and Lindholm have the chance to be)
Arizona Coyotes : OEL
Boston Bruins : Bergeron, Krejci, Lucic(Chara isn't atm, Hamilton will be soon)
Buffalo Sabres : None at the moment. Ristolainen, Zadarov, Reinhart and McEichel all have the chance to be
Calgary Flames : Giordano(Gaudrea, Monahan, Bennett all have the chance to be)
Carolina Hurricanes : None at the moment. Lindholm and Faulk have a chance
Chicago Blackhawks : Kane, Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, Keith
Colorado Avalanche : Duchene, MacKinnon, Johnson, Varlamov, Landeskog
Columbus Blue Jackets : Johansen, Bobrovsky(Murray and Wennberg have a chance)
Dallas Stars : Benn, Seguin(Nickushkin, Klingberg just dominates everywhere he goes)
Detroit Red Wings : Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall(Tatar and Nyquist probably are or will be, Mrazek)
Edmonton Oilers : Hall, RNH
Florida Panthers : Luongo. (Ekblad, Huberdeau, Barkov)
Los Angeles Kings : Kopitar, Doughty, Quick
Minnesota Wild : Parise, Suter, Pominville, Vanek, Koivu(Brodin)
Montreal Canadiens : Pacioretty, Subban, Price(Galchenyuk)
Nashville Predators : Forsberg, Weber, Josi, Rinne(Jones)
New Jersey Devils : Does Jagr count?
New York Islanders : Tavares(Strome)
New York Rangers : Nash, McDonagh, Lundqvist(Duclair)
Ottawa Senators : Karlsson, Ryan(Zibanejad, Ceci, Lehner)
Philadelphia Flyers : Voracek, Giroux(Morin)
Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Malkin
San Jose Sharks : Pavelski, Marleau, Thornton, Vlasic, Couture, Burns
St. Louis Blues : Tarasenko, Pietrangelo, Bouwmeester
Tampa Bay Lightning : Stamkos, Hedman(Kucherov, Vasilevski
Toronto Maple Leafs : Kessel(Rielly, Nylander)
Vancouver Canucks : Sedin, Sedin
Washington Capitals : Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson(Burakovsky)
Winnipeg Jets : Byfuglien, Wheeler, Ladd(Trouba, Ehlers)

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Anaheim Ducks : Getzlaf, Perry(Fowler, Gibson and Lindholm have the chance to be)
Arizona Coyotes : OEL
Boston Bruins : Bergeron, Krejci, Lucic(Chara isn't atm, Hamilton will be soon)
Buffalo Sabres : None at the moment. Ristolainen, Zadarov, Reinhart and McEichel all have the chance to be
Calgary Flames : Giordano(Gaudrea, Monahan, Bennett all have the chance to be)
Carolina Hurricanes : None at the moment. Lindholm and Faulk have a chance
Chicago Blackhawks : Kane, Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, Keith
Colorado Avalanche : Duchene, MacKinnon, Johnson, Varlamov, Landeskog
Columbus Blue Jackets : Johansen, Bobrovsky(Murray and Wennberg have a chance)
Dallas Stars : Benn, Seguin(Nickushkin, Klingberg just dominates everywhere he goes)
Detroit Red Wings : Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall(Tatar and Nyquist probably are or will be, Mrazek)
Edmonton Oilers : Hall, RNH
Florida Panthers : Luongo. (Ekblad, Huberdeau, Barkov)
Los Angeles Kings : Kopitar, Doughty, Quick
Minnesota Wild : Parise, Suter, Pominville, Vanek, Koivu(Brodin)
Montreal Canadiens : Pacioretty, Subban, Price(Galchenyuk)
Nashville Predators : Forsberg, Weber, Josi, Rinne(Jones)
New Jersey Devils : Does Jagr count?
New York Islanders : Tavares(Strome)
New York Rangers : Nash, McDonagh, Lundqvist(Duclair)
Ottawa Senators : Karlsson, Ryan(Zibanejad, Ceci, Lehner)
Philadelphia Flyers : Voracek, Giroux(Morin)
Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Malkin
San Jose Sharks : Pavelski, Marleau, Thornton, Vlasic, Couture, Burns
St. Louis Blues : Tarasenko, Pietrangelo, Bouwmeester
Tampa Bay Lightning : Stamkos, Hedman(Kucherov, Vasilevski
Toronto Maple Leafs : Kessel(Rielly, Nylander)
Vancouver Canucks : Sedin, Sedin
Washington Capitals : Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson(Burakovsky)
Winnipeg Jets : Byfuglien, Wheeler, Ladd(Trouba, Ehlers)

Not any more IMO. He lost his game breaking ability.

Apologies if this was rhetorical.

 

[WhiteLight*]

Anaheim Ducks : Getzlaf, Perry
Arizona Coyotes : Yandle
Boston Bruins : Krejci
Buffalo Sabres : -
Calgary Flames : Giordano
Carolina Hurricanes : Faulk
Chicago Blackhawks : Kane, Toews, Keith
Colorado Avalanche : -
Columbus Blue Jackets : Johansen, Foligno
Dallas Stars : Seguin, Benn
Detroit Red Wings : Zetterberg, Datsyuk
Edmonton Oilers : Hall
Florida Panthers : Ekblad
Los Angeles Kings : Doughty, Kopitar
Minnesota Wild : Parise, Suter
Montreal Canadiens : Subban, Pacioretty
Nashville Predators : Weber, Josi, Forsberg
New Jersey Devils : -
New York Islanders : Tavares, Okposo
New York Rangers : Nash, McDonagh
Ottawa Senators : Karlsson
Philadelphia Flyers : Giroux, Voracek
Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Malkin, Letang
San Jose Sharks : Pavelski, Burns
St. Louis Blues : Tarasenko
Tampa Bay Lightning : Hedman, Stamkos, Johnson
Toronto Maple Leafs : -
Vancouver Canucks : -
Washington Capitals : Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson
Winnipeg Jets : Byfuglien

 

[dumbdick]

Anaheim Ducks : Getzlaf, Perry
Arizona Coyotes : Yandle
Boston Bruins : Krejci
Buffalo Sabres : -
Calgary Flames : Giordano
Carolina Hurricanes : Faulk
Chicago Blackhawks : Kane, Toews, Keith
Colorado Avalanche : -
Columbus Blue Jackets : Johansen, Foligno
Dallas Stars : Seguin, Benn
Detroit Red Wings : Zetterberg, Datsyuk
Edmonton Oilers : Hall
Florida Panthers : Ekblad
Los Angeles Kings : Doughty, Kopitar
Minnesota Wild : Parise, Suter
Montreal Canadiens : Subban, Pacioretty
Nashville Predators : Weber, Josi, Forsberg
New Jersey Devils : -
New York Islanders : Tavares, Okposo
New York Rangers : Nash, McDonagh
Ottawa Senators : Karlsson
Philadelphia Flyers : Giroux, Voracek
Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Malkin, Letang
San Jose Sharks : Pavelski, Burns
St. Louis Blues : Tarasenko
Tampa Bay Lightning : Hedman, Stamkos, Johnson
Toronto Maple Leafs : -
Vancouver Canucks : -
Washington Capitals : Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson
Winnipeg Jets : Byfuglien

McDonagh but no OEL? Foligno but no Kessel? Faulk, but neither Sedin? Johnson but no Duchesne?

 

[Stylizer1]

This thread seems like a lot of work for nothing.

 

[WhiteLight*]

Yandle but no OEL? Foligno but no Kessel? Faulk, but neither Sedin?

Tough to draw a line but I stand by my picks.


Kessel just doesn't have the all around game for it.

Faulk is easily the Canes best player. Numbers don't look that great, but it's team related imo.

Yandle is a machine, leads his team in scoring consistently. OEL doesn't and is an overrated defensive player imo.

Sedins have lost a step, no longer what I qualify as elite, but really close.

Foligno is just based on this year. My god has he been good. Tenacious and off the charts skill. He looks like an above average 1st liner, and his stats back it up.

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

Why are people putting Luongo on their lists and not Anderson? Grass greener type thing?

 

[WhiteLight*]

Why are people putting Luongo on their lists and not Anderson? Grass greener type thing?

I don't necessarily think Bobby is on the list, but he plays 60 games a season (not Andy) and is consistently good (not Andy)

 

[SAK11]

Tough to draw a line but I stand by my picks.


Kessel just doesn't have the all around game for it.

But Hall does? I think that might just be Maple Leaf hate kicking in. Only Tarensenko for the Blues is wrong too, in my opinion.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I don't necessarily think Bobby is on the list, but he plays 60 games a season (not Andy) and is consistently good (not Andy)

Have you never watched him in Vancouver?

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Based on this year

Bobby and Karlsson

I'm sure other teams stack up well comparatively to the sens and atm have better established depth. Could change if guys like zibby, Stone and hoffman establish themselves over the course of a few season.

Just imo but we dont have the right mix to be successful.

Karlsson is more of a finishing piece and shouldnt be relied on to be the main guy. He should have a role like Letang. Ryan looks like he is a great player but shouldnt be the offensive catalyst of the forward core.

I'd like the team better if karlsson was a solid 40-50 point defensemen well being a true shut down dman. For ryan i'd like him more as a center and have an offensive winger that floats around 30-40 goals.

You dont leave out Letang on pitts in my opinion.

People seem to get confused when you say high end talent.

Anaheim Ducks : Gezlaf, Perry, kesler
Arizona Coyotes : Yandle, OEL
Boston Bruins : krejei, Bergeron, lucic, chara, hamilton (chara is waning)
Buffalo Sabres : Maybe Ennis. His point totals would be alot higher with some competent support
Calgary Flames : Giodarno, Brodie
Carolina Hurricanes : Faulk, skinner, E.Staal, skera is borderline
Chicago Blackhawks : kane, Toews, seabrooks, keith, sharp is waning
Colorado Avalanche : Duchene, Landeskog probably Makinnion
Columbus Blue Jackets : Johansen, Wisnenski, can't commit to foligno
Dallas Stars : seguin, Benn kylingberg looks really good
Detroit Red Wings : kronwall, nyquist, Zetterberg, Datysuk Tatar might be emerging
Edmonton Oilers : Hall, Eberle, RNH
Florida Panthers : Ekblad, Budjad, campbell is past his prime
Los Angeles Kings : kopitar, Carter, Doughty, Gaborik
Minnesota Wild : Pommiville, Parise, Suter, Vanek Borderline on Koivu, Brodin and Nino. Just hasnt seen them enough recently
Montreal Canadiens : Patches, Subban
Nashville Predators : Weber, Josi, Forsberg, Neal
New Jersey Devils : maybe Jagr hes coming off a 67 point season
New York Islanders : traverse, okposo
New York Rangers : nash, McDounagh, Stepan maybe brassard, st.louis
Ottawa Senators : Ryan, Karlsson, maybe Turris
Philadelphia Flyers : Giroux, Vorachek and simmonds
Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Malkin, Letang, perron maybe
San Jose Sharks : Pavelski, Thornton, burns, marleau, coutour, vlasic
St. Louis Blues : Petro, Bouwmeeter, Taresenko, Backes
Tampa Bay Lightning : Stamkos, Johnson, Hedman, Palat60 ****ing points as a rookie well playing great defensively
Toronto Maple Leafs : kessek, JVR
Vancouver Canucks : sedin, sedin maybe hamhuis
Washington Capitals : Ovy, Bactrom, Carlson
Winnipeg Jets : Wheeler, Little, Buf. Wheeler is a hidden talent 1 point off 70 last season

probably forgot some tbh

 

[WhiteLight*]

But Hall does? I think that might just be Maple Leaf hate kicking in. Only Tarensenko for the Blues is wrong too, in my opinion.

nah. If I had to draw the line any higher, Hall would be out too. He's the first guy I'd cut from that list probably. Like I said, tough to draw a line somewhere, but I think Hall > Kessel. No question actually, I prefer Hall offensively and defensively. Hall is not good defensively but is still better than Kessel; that says more about Kessel than it does about Hall.

Hall has a physical element to him as well. More complete player overall

Have you never watched him in Vancouver?

yeah. He seems to string good seasons together regularly. Not Vezina worthy, but better than Anderson's

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

This thread seems like a lot of work for nothing.

Haha, this. It's a classic main board-style thread.

 

[rumrokh]

St. Louis Blues : Petro, Bouwmeeter, Taresenko, Backes

Just passing by. It doesn't really matter, but as a Blues fan, I'll chime in to say that Schwartz, Shattenkirk, Steen, and Elliott are all better than Bouwmeester and probably Backes are. Both of those guys play important, impact roles, but aren't as high-end.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Just passing by. It doesn't really matter, but as a Blues fan, I'll chime in to say that Schwartz, Shattenkirk, Steen, and Elliott are all better than Bouwmeester and probably Backes are. Both of those guys play important, impact roles, but aren't as high-end.

schwarts and shattenkirk i can easily agree are some players i should have listed. Steen im more borderline on but it could be because he was a leaf. No chance i'd list Elliott. I'm 100 percent certain he'd see some sharp regression away from the blues.

 

[rumrokh]

schwarts and shattenkirk i can easily agree are some players i should have listed. Steen im more borderline on but it could be because he was a leaf. No chance i'd list Elliott. I'm 100 percent certain he'd see some sharp regression away from the blues.

During Halak's entire time with the Blues, his save percentage was exactly in line with expectations based on his numbers with Montreal. Unless the team was sandbagging with him in there, it's very reasonable to believe that Elliott's save percentage has also been an accurate representation of his performance. Check out Brodeur and Allen's performances when Elliott was injured. It's not the team.

Also, just the eye-test is convincing. He has stolen multiple games this year and has made big saves at crucial times. He's not elite, but he's closer to the top of his position than either Backes or Bouwmeester are. But at the same time, I can understand why most teams would also prefer Backes or Bouw. That might say more about the quality of goaltending right now, but it's not outlandish for me to consider Elliott at least as high end of a talent as Backes and Bouwmeester are.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

During Halak's entire time with the Blues, his save percentage was exactly in line with expectations based on his numbers with Montreal. Unless the team was sandbagging with him in there, it's very reasonable to believe that Elliott's save percentage has also been an accurate representation of his performance. Check out Brodeur and Allen's performances when Elliott was injured. It's not the team.

Also, just the eye-test is convincing. He has stolen multiple games this year and has made big saves at crucial times. He's not elite, but he's closer to the top of his position than Backes is. But at the same time, I can understand why most teams would also prefer Backes. That might say more about the quality of goaltending right now, but it's not outlandish for me to consider Elliott at least as high end of a talent as Backes and Bouwmeester are.

Dont quote me on this but last time i looked at the data Elliott was one of the goalies who benefited from very few high quality shots against. Hes good at makes easy saves though. Allen has been disappointing this season and seems prone to bad goals. No comment on Brodeur because he probably played to the level expected. Like i said its been awhile since i looked at the data on waronice so i might even be wrong.

 

[HavlatMach9]

Thanks for dropping by. Most surprised how far Shattenkirk has stepped up.

 

[rumrokh]

Thanks for dropping by. Most surprised how far Shattenkirk has stepped up.

He's improved in every way since the day he arrived on the team. Even when he was producing well earlier this year, there was a discussion on the Blues board that he had even more untapped offensive ability and it has really started to show. Dude runs a powerplay like nobody's business and even though he doesn't get the tough D assignments, his defensive play against good players is visually very good. I hope he's back for the playoffs.

While I'm here, Turris is underrated around the league.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

He's improved in every way since the day he arrived on the team. Even when he was producing well earlier this year, there was a discussion on the Blues board that he had even more untapped offensive ability and it has really started to show. Dude runs a powerplay like nobody's business and even though he doesn't get the tough D assignments, his defensive play against good players is visually very good. I hope he's back for the playoffs.

While I'm here, Turris is underrated around the league.

Its sad to see him kinda falter this year. He was such a nice linear path up until this year where it looks like hes taken steps back.