The fact that it is necessary to have these conversations doesn't mean that there's not a clear cut answer.
Lidstrom has a hard core of supporters who are in every ranking thread, same as R71, pushing him as #1 or occasionally #2 all time. Their case essentially boils down to the Talent Pool Argument (which largely fails against Bourque but tends to eliminate Shore from the conversation) and the Career Value Argument (which fails against Bourque, seems to be a tie against Harvey, and arguably isn't entirely effective against Orr either). They tend not to want to talk about the Peak Value Argument, where Orr and Bourque have a decided advantage and Harvey is again in a dead heat.
The problem is that if Lidstrom can't make an effective case against Bourque on either peak or career value, and doesn't gain much ground in the talent pool conversation, then it should be very much an open-and-close debate between them. Yet it spins on and on, infringing on other debates, and I'll be damned if I can figure out why.
I refrained from responding the the all encompassing Lidstrom thread for now but will do so here since I'm probably the only one that even question Orr being number 1.
I have Bourque and Lidstrom very close, and can see the argument for either guy. I'm also a career guy but do consider peak, prime, career, playoffs heck everything I can think of and yes that includes the quality of competition in the peer versus peer arguments.
Bourque has more obvious appeal with more awards and better counting stats but some of that is the situation around him and not him in isolation.
There is some overlap in their careers but the really big push for non traditional feeder talent comes almost exactly when Lidstrom enters the NHL.
I also can see other hockey nations competing with Canada at the top level and therefore being closer to them (in top talent anyways so 20 guys at least but probably more that can play quite well at the NHL level).
I have posted on several times examples of the large increase of players from non traditional feeder systems in both terms of quantity and quality but obviously I need to make a more detailed argument as I'm not sure that many people have looked at it very closely at all.
This post should probably be moved to the Other Lidstrom one but my analysis on voting results versus Harvey and Lidstrom turned into a big sideshow of how guys felt about Lidstrom and existing beliefs rather than analysis of the data presented.
I feel very strongly that the voting data (without any consideration for the level and scope of competition) put Lidstrom clearly ahead but maybe R71 has it right and we are all getting too excited without actual NHL games going on and are getting frustrated here instead.
Edit: My bad TDMM I din't see your post before I posted this one, anyways I'm done with Lidstrom for now till I do my big research project on the non traditional feeder systems.