Let's talk Morin

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Morin is almost ready and he'll be a horse in the nhl. There was an article about him but I forgot where I read it but Gordon praises him and says he's ready.

You are going to love this guy more than anyone

 

[Lindberg]

I love how he has yet to play a single NHL game and will be "a horse in the NHL". By god if Hatcher wills it, it must be so.

 

[Larry44]

In this article,

http://www.thesportster.com/hockey/top-15-recent-nhl-draft-picks-teams-are-already-regretting/

the sportster says that Morin is a pick the Flyers are regretting. Is this a false accusation, or do we let our bias Flyers fan glasses obscure us from the truth?

This list includes many busts that everybody agrees with such as Griffin Reinhart, Nail Yakupov and Magnus Paajarvi. I do understand that Morin is still young, but do not forget that he was drafted in 2013 and it is now 2017 and he has yet to make his NHL debut.

As well, what do you guys think his current NHL comparable is in terms of effectiveness and impact on the game? Please don't say Pronger (even though he's retired) just because he is 6'6". If he is a projected top 4 or top 2 or top 6, what player is closest to what the Flyers are expecting out of this guy?

Article is a piece of drivel. Big Dmen develop more slowly. Parayko could not stop tripping over his feet two years ago, now he's a stud. Sam is going to be a very good NHL Dman.

 

[whitstifier]

Article is a piece of drivel. Big Dmen develop more slowly. Parayko could not stop tripping over his feet two years ago, now he's a stud. Sam is going to be a very good NHL Dman.

Just because Chara took forever to turn into a valuable player doesn't mean that all defensemen follow similar paths. There are a number of huge, young defensemen who are dominant.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Chara's development path is often exaggerated. He showed good offensive improvement in his first year in Ottawa after being traded at age 24. He scored 10 goals & put up 23 points in 75 games. The next season as a 25 year old he scored 9 goals & put up 39 points in 74 games.

It's still an outlier but it's not as crazy as some people lead you to believe. As if he didn't really develop into his 20's or something.

 

[whitstifier]

Chara's development path is often exaggerated. He showed good offensive improvement in his first year in Ottawa after being traded at age 24. He scored 10 goals & put up 23 points in 75 games. The next season as a 25 year old he scored 9 goals & put up 39 points in 74 games.

It's still an outlier but it's not as crazy as some people lead you to believe. As if he didn't really develop into his 20's or something.

Ah, thanks for pointing that out!

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Ah, thanks for pointing that out!

Yeah. He came along way from his early 20's to his mid 20's. He was essentially a goon in New York & wasn't even really good at fighting either. So it was still a unique path but some people act like he just randomly became a #1 late in his 20's or something.

 

[achdumeingute]

In this article,

http://www.thesportster.com/hockey/top-15-recent-nhl-draft-picks-teams-are-already-regretting/

the sportster says that Morin is a pick the Flyers are regretting. Is this a false accusation, or do we let our bias Flyers fan glasses obscure us from the truth?

This list includes many busts that everybody agrees with such as Griffin Reinhart, Nail Yakupov and Magnus Paajarvi. I do understand that Morin is still young, but do not forget that he was drafted in 2013 and it is now 2017 and he has yet to make his NHL debut.

As well, what do you guys think his current NHL comparable is in terms of effectiveness and impact on the game? Please don't say Pronger (even though he's retired) just because he is 6'6". If he is a projected top 4 or top 2 or top 6, what player is closest to what the Flyers are expecting out of this guy?

media tardation at its finest.

1. flyers are IMPACTED at the NHL level. We have too many contracts/money spent. Even if he was really ready we realistically dont have room. Hes better served getting time in AHL.

2. He's playing a defensive game. He needs to learn and be able to do that well, he will never have Ghost type puck skills in the NHL. Doesnt mean he has no skill with the puck, we just have better options.

Sam Morin is fine. He is going to end up playing in a situation under his ability...and that is going to be great for us.

 

[Laveuglette]

Still think he has top pairing potential.

 

[Dumpster Flyers]

Never was a huge fan of the Morin pick, but hopefully he can develop into a solid #4-5.

I kind of lost some respect for the Flyers scouting staff after watching the "Flight Plan" special on the Flyers' 2013 draft. I realize it's heavily edited, but of the stuff in that are terrible regardless. They just talk in circles until Morin is #6 on the draft board, ahead of guys like Monahan.

 

[Laveuglette]

Morin has crazy potential, is smart, and has a good attitude. I'd be very surprised if he only became a 3rd pairing guy

 

[Appleyard]

Never was a huge fan of the Morin pick, but hopefully he can develop into a solid #4-5.

I kind of lost some respect for the Flyers scouting staff after watching the "Flight Plan" special on the Flyers' 2013 draft. I realize it's heavily edited, but of the stuff in that are terrible regardless. They just talk in circles until Morin is #6 on the draft board, ahead of guys like Monahan.

It is quite obvious that it was pretty much 'Holmgren mandated' that they take a D.

They basically infer Monahan is a better player than all the D, but no point listing him there as they would be taking a D anyway even if he is there! So they list 6 D in a row around where they will pick.

 

[Dumpster Flyers]

It is quite obvious that it was pretty much 'Holmgren mandated' that they take a D.

They basically infer Monahan is a better player than all the D, but no point listing him there as they would be taking a D anyway even if he is there! So they list 6 D in a row around where they will pick.

Not sure where you're seeing this.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

IIRC leading up to that draft Snider essentially tipped their hand on what way they were likely leaning. He was complaining to the media that they never draft defensemen & how that was going to change.

 

[Hurricane28]

Management was very impressed with Morin in camp this year, stayed up pretty much the entire preseason. Nothing he has done this year would change that. He's right on schedule

 

[beetee15]

i like morin but max domi on this team would be electric

 

[Lindberg]

Not sure where you're seeing this.

I agree, Holmgren said in that video that the scouts were cracking under pressure if they thought Morin was better than Monahan. I bet if Monahan was there he would have been selected. At the end of the day I just don't see all that much in Morin that is suggesting he will be more than a solid bottom pairing. Solid player, a bit of a weak draft after the top players but even looking back now it wasn't the worst pick in the world.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

That Flight Plan pre-draft video is a bit aggravating. Reminds me of the scene in Moneyball with the traditional baseball scouts.

Patterson comes off as annoying. Greig comes off well.

 

[Adam Warlock]

My expectations for him is a meaner version of Coburn, which I am totally ok with.

If he does reach his upside I could see it happening later in his career. Like late 20s.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Someone compared Hagg with Gudas. Morin might be a better comparable. As 20 year old rookies in the AHL:

Gudas
76 games
4 goals
13 assists
17 points (.22 PPG)
116 shots (1.53/gm)
165 PIMs (2.17/gm)

Morin
76 games
4 goals
15 assists
19 points (.25 PPG)
104 shots (1.37/gm)
118 PIMs (1.55/gm)

 

[prototypical4thliner]

i would be lying if I said I wasn't a tad disappointed in his development as an offensive contributor, but as a 3rd pairing shut down defenseman he will be great and probably already better than what we have on the NHL roster...

I see him as a more physical Coburn.

He could be a much more imposing coburn. That was always the book on coburn--all tools, lacked the box. Morin looks to have a better iq. That could be a dominant combination, especially if you pair him with a greatt puck mover.

 

[Delete99991]

That was always the book on coburn--all tools, lacked the box. Morin looks to have a better iq.

What makes you say that? My biggest concern about Morin is hockey sense. The times I've seen him he's made errors with the puck and gotten himself out of position.

 

[ChiefWiggum]

Someone compared Hagg with Gudas. Morin might be a better comparable. As 20 year old rookies in the AHL:

Gudas
76 games
4 goals
13 assists
17 points (.22 PPG)
116 shots (1.53/gm)
165 PIMs (2.17/gm)

Morin
76 games
4 goals
15 assists
19 points (.25 PPG)
104 shots (1.37/gm)
118 PIMs (1.55/gm)

Please tell me Morin has a higher ceiling than a Gudas-type. If not, then I have truly lost all trust in the draft hype surrounding every single first rounder

 

[Curufinwe]

Gudas is a top 4 dman. If you expect every dman picked in the first round to be a #1 or #2 dman then that's your own fault.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

What makes you say that? My biggest concern about Morin is hockey sense. The times I've seen him he's made errors with the puck and gotten himself out of position.

First of all, as a youth... he is still learning th position against men. Secondly, I think the organization is taking a more simple path of development with him--he's going to be our minute munching defensive specialist getting a ton of PK time and being a compliment to one of our puck movers. I think the simplicity breeds a better understanding of the game and your roll, better sense of what you need to do when.

With the amount of pressure there was to build a contender, I feel like they pushed coburn further than his tool box would allow--I definitely recall almost a full season where turning coburn into a power play weapon with his one timer was a thing. It took him in a direction that was counterproductive to what they needed at that point--a defensive defender with some snarl to pair with kimmo.