Player Discussion Leon Draisaitl | 19-20 Art Ross, Ted Lindsay & Hart Trophy Winner | Congrats on 500 Career Points!

[Wen22]

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Athletic have some good writers, but the majority of them are glorified bloggers who've never played the sport

You don’t need to play a sport to be a good writer.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I actually like The Athletic. Some of their writers are terrible, others are meh and then they have some really good ones. And they cover most of the sports that interest me and as far as I am concerned they do it for a fair price.

But I do disagree with the votes of several of the 48 writers affiliated with The Athletic that got to vote here, eventhough I would have been fine with any of Leon, MacKinnon or Panarin winning, at least I would not have been too upset if it had not been Leon.

In case anyone's interested this is how the Hart would have turned out if only the guys from The Athletic got to vote.

Player	1st Place	2nd Place	3rd Place	4th Place	5th Place	Points
Nathan MacKinnon	18	16	11	2	0	353
Leon Draisaitl	18	10	8	7	3	314
Artemi Panarin	11	12	16	3	4	287
Connor Hellebuyck	1	6	8	8	7	123
David Pastrnak	0	4	1	17	10	94
Connor McDavid	0	0	3	6	9	42
Roman Josi	0	0	1	2	1	12
Jack Eichel	0	0	0	1	2	5
Nikita Kucherov	0	0	0	1	2	5
Auston Matthews	0	0	0	0	3	3
Evgeni Malkin	0	0	0	0	3	3
Brad Marchand	0	0	0	1	0	3
Elias Pettersson	0	0	0	0	2	2
Alexander Ovechkin	0	0	0	0	1	1
John Carlson	0	0	0	0	1	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Thanks for this breakdown. Looks like my eyeball count of the chart earlier was dead on. However on the chart above Drai placed 46 times. The actual number is 45 as two The Athletic scribes left him off their ballots.

Drai is not on the list of either Dom Lywhatsgarble or Rob Rossi

The latter leaves Drai off the list and doubles down with write ins for Josi and Malkin. Malkin only recieved 3 5th place votes (no others) amoung 170ballots. Only Rossi had him instead of Draisaitl on their ballots. I mean its astounding enough that anybody would leave Leon right off the ballot, but to put josi and malkin there is insane outlier voting. Josi was only voted for 4 times out of 170 ballots. The probability, all other things being equal, to have 2 of these represent your top 5 is incredible. A list derived that could only be arrived at through sheer bias, or flat out trolling. Rossi voting amazingly is even worse than Dom's. I didn't think that was possible..

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Thanks for this breakdown. Looks like my eyeball count of the chart earlier was dead on. However on the chart above Drai placed 46 times. The actual number is 45 as two The Athletic scribes left him off their ballots.

Drai is not on the list of either Dom Lywhatsgarble or Rob Rossi

The latter leaves Drai off the list and doubles down with write ins for Josi and Malkin. Malkin only recieved 3 5th place votes (no others) amoung 170ballots. Only Rossi had him instead of Draisaitl on their ballots. I mean its astounding enough that anybody would leave Leon right off the ballot, but to put josi and malkin there is insane outlier voting. Josi was only voted for 4 times out of 170 ballots. The probability, all other things being equal, to have 2 of these represent your top 5 is incredible. A list derived that could only be arrived at through sheer bias, or flat out trolling. Rossi voting amazingly is even worse than Dom's. I didn't think that was possible..

Honestly it's an integrity problem the PWHA doesn't really care to ever even pretend to address. There's guys and options, but there's there's this Sh*t which is absurd garbage.

 

[Maverick41]

Thanks for this breakdown. Looks like my eyeball count of the chart earlier was dead on. However on the chart above Drai placed 46 times. The actual number is 45 as two The Athletic scribes left him off their ballots.

Drai is not on the list of either Dom Lywhatsgarble or Rob Rossi

The latter leaves Drai off the list and doubles down with write ins for Josi and Malkin. Malkin only recieved 3 5th place votes (no others) amoung 170ballots. Only Rossi had him instead of Draisaitl on their ballots. I mean its astounding enough that anybody would leave Leon right off the ballot, but to put josi and malkin there is insane outlier voting. Josi was only voted for 4 times out of 170 ballots. The probability, all other things being equal, to have 2 of these represent your top 5 is incredible. A list derived that could only be arrived at through sheer bias, or flat out trolling. Rossi voting amazingly is even worse than Dom's. I didn't think that was possible..

You have only counted 47 Athletic voters. I counted 48. I don't know if I added one non-Athletic writer by mistake, but below were the ones I used.

1	Murat Ates	The Athletic
2	Arpon Basu	The Athletic/Athletique
3	Max Bultman	The Athletic
4	Scott Burnside	The Athletic
5	Sara Civian	The Athletic
6	Ryan Clark	The Athletic
7	Scott Cruickshank	The Athletic
8	Craig Custance	The Athletic
9	Harman Dayal	The Athletic
10	Lisa Dillman	The Athletic
11	Thomas Drance	The Athletic
12	Eric Duhatschek	The Athletic
13	Tarik El-Bashir	The Athletic
14	Marc-Antoine Godin	The Athletic/Athletique
15	Jesse Granger	The Athletic
16	Joshua Kloke	The Athletic
17	Kevin Kurz	The Athletic
18	Mark Lazerus	The Athletic
19	Pierre LeBrun	The Athletic
20	Dom Luszczyszyn	The Athletic
21	Corey Masisak	The Athletic
22	Joe McDonald	The Athletic
23	Sean McIndoe	The Athletic
24	James Mirtle	The Athletic
25	Craig Morgan	The Athletic
26	Daniel Nugent-Bowman	The Athletic
27	Charlie O'Connor	The Athletic
28	Aaron Portzline	The Athletic
29	Scott Powers	The Athletic
30	Joe Rexrode	The Athletic
31	George Richards	The Athletic
32	Rob Rossi	The Athletic
33	Michael Russo	The Athletic
34	Jeremy Rutherford	The Athletic
35	Hailey Salvian	The Athletic
36	Sean Shapiro	The Athletic
37	Fluto Shinzawa	The Athletic
38	Joe Smith	The Athletic
39	Arthur Staple	The Athletic
40	Eric Stephens	The Athletic
41	Chris Stevenson	The Athletic
42	Adam Vingan	The Athletic
43	John Vogl	The Athletic
44	Scott Wheeler	The Athletic
45	Ken Wiebe	The Athletic
46	Jonathan Willis	The Athletic
47	Joe Yerdon	The Athletic
48	Josh Yohe	The Athletic

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[oobga]

You have only counted 47 Athletic voters. I counted 48. I don't know if I added one non-Athletic writer by mistake, but below were the ones I used.

1	Murat Ates	The Athletic
2	Arpon Basu	The Athletic/Athletique
3	Max Bultman	The Athletic
4	Scott Burnside	The Athletic
5	Sara Civian	The Athletic
6	Ryan Clark	The Athletic
7	Scott Cruickshank	The Athletic
8	Craig Custance	The Athletic
9	Harman Dayal	The Athletic
10	Lisa Dillman	The Athletic
11	Thomas Drance	The Athletic
12	Eric Duhatschek	The Athletic
13	Tarik El-Bashir	The Athletic
14	Marc-Antoine Godin	The Athletic/Athletique
15	Jesse Granger	The Athletic
16	Joshua Kloke	The Athletic
17	Kevin Kurz	The Athletic
18	Mark Lazerus	The Athletic
19	Pierre LeBrun	The Athletic
20	Dom Luszczyszyn	The Athletic
21	Corey Masisak	The Athletic
22	Joe McDonald	The Athletic
23	Sean McIndoe	The Athletic
24	James Mirtle	The Athletic
25	Craig Morgan	The Athletic
26	Daniel Nugent-Bowman	The Athletic
27	Charlie O'Connor	The Athletic
28	Aaron Portzline	The Athletic
29	Scott Powers	The Athletic
30	Joe Rexrode	The Athletic
31	George Richards	The Athletic
32	Rob Rossi	The Athletic
33	Michael Russo	The Athletic
34	Jeremy Rutherford	The Athletic
35	Hailey Salvian	The Athletic
36	Sean Shapiro	The Athletic
37	Fluto Shinzawa	The Athletic
38	Joe Smith	The Athletic
39	Arthur Staple	The Athletic
40	Eric Stephens	The Athletic
41	Chris Stevenson	The Athletic
42	Adam Vingan	The Athletic
43	John Vogl	The Athletic
44	Scott Wheeler	The Athletic
45	Ken Wiebe	The Athletic
46	Jonathan Willis	The Athletic
47	Joe Yerdon	The Athletic
48	Josh Yohe	The Athletic

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

28% of votes are from 1 paywall site? Interesting. Probably not a great sign for hockey media in general.

 

[McDNicks17]

Did the Oilers hire @Del Preston ?

 

[Del Preston]

Did the Oilers hire @Del Preston ?

Lol, I saw that on their Twitter. Not my work though.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Drai seems more like a Jim the Anvil type of a bod and Connor more along the Brett type of a bod.

 

[Del Preston]

Drai seems more like a Jim the Anvil type of a bod and Connor more along the Brett type of a bod.

Leon probably has a better chance of growing Neidhart's goatee.

 

[Stoneman89]

Leon probably has a better chance of growing Neidhart's goatee.

Natalya?

 

[Stoneman89]

Ironically, Bedoes was born in Alberta and graduated from the U of A. I always thought he was a born and bred Easterner.
Never agree dwith him, but I think he knew it was part of the schtick to make some outrageous noise.

 

[Del Preston]

Hopefully my last post about this dom fellow. I looked at his voting for all awards. There were 169 or 170 voters for each award.

Norris
- the only voter to leave John Carlson off his ballot; Carlson finished 2nd
- the only person to vote for Jared Spurgeon (5th place)
- 1 of 8 voters to give Charlie McAvoy a vote (4th place)

Selke
- 1 of 7 to leave Sean Couturier off his ballot; Couturier won
- 1 of 6 to give Nick Foligno a vote (5th place)

Hart
- 1 of 2 to leave Leon Draisaitl off his ballot; Draisaitl won
- 1 of 6 to give Auston Matthews a vote (5th place)

All-Star Team
- 1 of 11 to have Auston Matthews on his Centre ballot (2nd place)**
- 1 of 4 to have Max Pacioretty on his Left Wing ballot (3rd place)
- 1 of 10 to have Mark Stone on his Right Wing ballot (3rd place)
- 1 of 5 voters to have Jared Spurgeon on his Defenseman ballot (5th place)

**His co-worker at The Athletic, Sean McIndoe, was the only person to leave Draisaitl off his ballot entirely.

 

[Oilhawks]

Hopefully my last post about this dom fellow. I looked at his voting for all awards. There were 169 or 170 voters for each award.

Norris
- the only voter to leave John Carlson off his ballot; Carlson finished 2nd
- the only person to vote for Jared Spurgeon (5th place)
- 1 of 8 voters to give Charlie McAvoy a vote (4th place)

Selke
- 1 of 7 to leave Sean Couturier off his ballot; Couturier won
- 1 of 6 to give Nick Foligno a vote (5th place)

Hart
- 1 of 2 to leave Leon Draisaitl off his ballot; Draisaitl won
- 1 of 6 to give Auston Matthews a vote (5th place)

All-Star Team
- 1 of 11 to have Auston Matthews on his Centre ballot (2nd place)**
- 1 of 4 to have Max Pacioretty on his Left Wing ballot (3rd place)
- 1 of 10 to have Mark Stone on his Right Wing ballot (3rd place)
- 1 of 5 voters to have Jared Spurgeon on his Defenseman ballot (5th place)

**His co-worker at The Athletic, Sean McIndoe, was the only person to leave Draisaitl off his ballot entirely.

Ahhh, now I get why he calls it ‘Down goes Brown’

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Hopefully my last post about this dom fellow. I looked at his voting for all awards. There were 169 or 170 voters for each award.

Norris
- the only voter to leave John Carlson off his ballot; Carlson finished 2nd
- the only person to vote for Jared Spurgeon (5th place)
- 1 of 8 voters to give Charlie McAvoy a vote (4th place)

Selke
- 1 of 7 to leave Sean Couturier off his ballot; Couturier won
- 1 of 6 to give Nick Foligno a vote (5th place)

Hart
- 1 of 2 to leave Leon Draisaitl off his ballot; Draisaitl won
- 1 of 6 to give Auston Matthews a vote (5th place)

All-Star Team
- 1 of 11 to have Auston Matthews on his Centre ballot (2nd place)**
- 1 of 4 to have Max Pacioretty on his Left Wing ballot (3rd place)
- 1 of 10 to have Mark Stone on his Right Wing ballot (3rd place)
- 1 of 5 voters to have Jared Spurgeon on his Defenseman ballot (5th place)

**His co-worker at The Athletic, Sean McIndoe, was the only person to leave Draisaitl off his ballot entirely.

Sean McImDoofus more like it.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Ahhh, now I get why he calls it ‘Down goes Brown’

His credibility does go down with every article he puts out, so its not wrong.

 

[Del Preston]

Ahhh, now I get why he calls it ‘Down goes Brown’

Oh I didn't know that was the same guy.

 

[Del Preston]

 

[Paralyzer008]

I...don't think Dom is all wrong on John Carlson. I think that one you can debate.

Couturier though is at least a top 5 Selke guy and there is no argument for Matthews over Drai.

 

[Maverick41]

I...don't think Dom is all wrong on John Carlson. I think that one you can debate.

Couturier though is at least a top 5 Selke guy and there is no argument for Matthews over Drai.

I actually tried to read his "explanation" but for several reasons I stopped not even half way through and I only skimmed the rest of it.
Some of that was on me, because he throws out a lot of advanced stats that I am just not familiar with and I have no idea if the actually have any relevance.

But right from the start of his explanation I was put off by him praising himself for being bold to go against the grain and leave these guys (Drai, Couts and Carlson) of his ballot.
That made me already skeptical of any reasoning he would try to provide later on.
I have never taken any writing or journalism classes, but overall (or at least as far as I got in his article) it was not very well written. To be fair it also wasn't terrible (content not withstanding).

Maybe I will give it another shot some time, but all this harping on advanced stats is a real turn off for me. I don't mind them as a throw-in to emphasize a point, but if they account for most of the article it gets tiresome for me.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

I made this disaster incase anyone here want’s to spam it to people who forgot about drai. Lol

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

I made this disaster incase people want to spam it to people who forgot about drai. Lol
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Did you used to have an account under the name Oilers Propogandist?

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

Did you used to have an account under the name Oilers Propogandist?

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

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Your posting styles seem identical.

Either way, keep on giving Flames/Leafs fans hell.