Post-Game Talk: Leafs WIN! -> Summer of Dorion continues

[saltming]

Yep, and they can't take the heat when we chirp back.

That's where the difference lies. Seems we allow other posters to say their piece on our board and we get banned from theirs at the slightest 'infraction'

 

[Zybalto]

That's where the difference lies. Seems we allow other posters to say their piece on our board and we get banned from theirs at the slightest 'infraction'

Wouldnt be surprised to hear some nonsense about "power dynamics" behind this sort of attitude from the mods.

The largest fanbase must be the bad guys right?

...or its just plain old bias against Leafs fans seeing as we're on one of those outdated message board thingies.

Murray has been injured, but not bad. He has had good and bad stretches.

They probably took the two riskiest options and have one that has worked out well, and one that has been fine (if the injuries continue, I am fine with calling it bad), but we also got some picks to take on the "fine" option.

Yea, up and down stretches this year probably due to the injuries not helping.

14-8-2, .905, +0.11 GSAx

Stats are the definition of "he's been fine" and should be feeling good for the playoffs *fingers crossed*

Samsonov up there with Shesterkin, Oettinger, Vasy, Saros and Helle for save% right now which is nice to see.

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs definitely, had the better goalie last night.

And it was on the road.

Kind of tough not to call him the starter, regardless of Murray's history in Pittsburgh.

Didn't think they actually, played that well, players snoozing through the game.

 

[Hellcat]

Murray ranks 29th in SV% among goalies with 20+ starts. That's definitely not great but those are still NHL caliber goalie stats and not all teams even have a goalie playing at that level.

I was hoping that Sammy/Murray would combine to give us at least a decent goalie tandem, hopefully better than decent but most importantly, that at least one guy would emerge as a quality starter by the time the playoffs rolled around. All boxes are now checked and I don't see how anyone could complain about how things have gone to this point.

He had a hot stretch in Nov along with the rest of the team, which heavily weights his YTD stats, more than half of his games his sv% is below ..899, If he had consistency I'd have a different opinion, he's not a guy who has earned my trust. You want players who you can rely on, not sure he's done enough to earn that trust.

Sammy has been much better than advertised.

Based on Murrays play he's our 3rd best option behind Sammy and Woll.

 

[MCR74]

That's where the difference lies. Seems we allow other posters to say their piece on our board and we get banned from theirs at the slightest 'infraction'

It's f'd up for a poster to change his screen name to BallardDiddleKids, yet I'm the one who received a thread ban.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He had a hot stretch in Nov along with the rest of the team, which heavily weights his YTD stats, more than half of his games his sv% is below ..899, If he had consistency I'd have a different opinion, he's not a guy who has earned my trust. You want players who you can rely on, not sure he's done enough to earn that trust.

Sammy has been much better than advertised.

Based on Murrays play he's our 3rd best option behind Sammy and Woll.

You don't trust him, that's one thing, calling him a dumpster fire is another thing entirely. He's had his ups and downs this season but the big picture is that over the course of the season, he's been playing like a low end NHL starting goalie nd calling him a dumpster fire is just wrong.

Dubas had to gamble on somebody, he chose to gamble on Murray and Samsonov and the results so far say that he hit a home run - we've gotten solid goaltending this season, well above what you could expect based on how little cap space our goalies take up.

 

[DarkKnight]

Gio and McCabe sitting tonight. Timmons in

Nice to see Timmins slot in.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So I simply took the actual Goalie Stats from 2021-22 for the Leafs.
A inserted/replaced the 2 new goalies in their place to see what the difference in the standings WOULD HAVE BEEN.
Based on these 2021-22 records the Leafs would have gone from 115 points to 86 points.

No. They. Wouldn't. That's not what their place in the standings would have been. We would not have dropped from 115 points to 86 points by replacing our goaltending with better goaltending.

Wins. Do. Not. Transfer. With. Goalies.
They. Are. Not. Goalie. Stats.
You can't take goalies from worse teams and assume that their win records would be the same on much better teams.

And not only is what you did here incorrect and misleading, but what you've repeatedly avoided addressing is that you didn't even do your incorrect statistical manipulation correctly. You did not add up 82 games.

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Tell me... Look at those totals. What is 39 + 30 + 8. Because it sure as heck isn't 82.

You spent months spreading doomsday scenarios like this and incorrect claims about goaltending that ended up massively better than last year.

 

[Hellcat]

You don't trust him, that's one thing, calling him a dumpster fire is another thing entirely. He's had his ups and downs this season but the big picture is that over the course of the season, he's been playing like a low end NHL starting goalie nd calling him a dumpster fire is just wrong.

Dubas had to gamble on somebody, he chose to gamble on Murray and Samsonov and the results so far say that he hit a home run - we've gotten solid goaltending this season, well above what you could expect based on how little cap space our goalies take up.

for 4+ mil a season and injured frequently and over half his games with a sv% below .899 that is IMO a dumpster fire.

 

[Gary Nylund]

for 4+ mil a season and injured frequently and over half his games with a sv% below .899 that is IMO a dumpster fire.

Eh, I suggest you focus on the other half. Goaltending's been good, cheer up!

 

[666]

I'm not sure why you're struggling with such a simple concept.

We were talking about Risk/Reward last Summer about Leafs taking on a pair of project goalies cut loose by their previous teams Sammy without a QO and made a UFA and Murray dealt as a Salary dump..

So I simply took the actual Goalie Stats from 2021-22 for the Leafs.

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A inserted/replaced the 2 new goalies in their place to see what the difference in the standings WOULD HAVE BEEN.

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Based on these 2021-22 records the Leafs would have gone from 115 points to 86 points.

There is no prediction for future events only a comparison of Win / Loss records of goalies OUT vs. goalie IN based on historical stats of the past season.

This is the dumbest idea ever and doesn't even add up. Wow just wow.

 

[MCR74]

Summer of Dorion continues

I'd like to point out that this video will never lose its charm.

 

[IPS]

I'm not sure why you're struggling with such a simple concept.

We were talking about Risk/Reward last Summer about Leafs taking on a pair of project goalies cut loose by their previous teams Sammy without a QO and made a UFA and Murray dealt as a Salary dump..

So I simply took the actual Goalie Stats from 2021-22 for the Leafs.

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A inserted/replaced the 2 new goalies in their place to see what the difference in the standings WOULD HAVE BEEN.

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Based on these 2021-22 records the Leafs would have gone from 115 points to 86 points.

There is no prediction for future events only a comparison of Win / Loss records of goalies OUT vs. goalie IN based on historical stats of the past season.

And what was the purpose of extracting such information?

Are you in a contest for producing the most useless piece of information ever?

 

[Kyle089]

Good win for the boys last night! I was at the game with a couple of buddies, my dad and my uncle. It was my first live Leafs game since 2003! It was 90% Leafs fans in my section. My one buddy is a Sens fan and I got to poke fun of him, saying he didn't get to stand up once during the game to stretch his legs, since the Sens couldn't buy a goal haha.

Sammy played great last night! We had a loud "Sammy! Sammy!" chant going after that awesome cross ice toe save! We also had a guy wearing a Habs hat sitting in front of us that passed out half way through the first period. Talk about a waste of money lmao!

 

[MCR74]

Good win for the boys last night! I was at the game with a couple of buddies, my dad and my uncle. It was my first live Leafs game since 2003! It was 90% Leafs fans in my section. My one buddy is a Sens fan and I got to poke fun of him, saying he didn't get to stand up once during the game to stretch his legs, since the Sens couldn't buy a goal haha.

Sammy played great last night! We had a loud "Sammy! Sammy!" chant going after that awesome cross ice toe save! We also had a guy wearing a Habs hat sitting in front of us that passed out half way through the first period. Talk about a waste of money lmao!

You just hate to see it.

Sens fans aren't too pleased with being overrun by opposing fans in their own barn.

 

[Hellcat]

Eh, I suggest you focus on the other half. Goaltending's been good, cheer up!

He hasn't had a good stretch since November, I'm a realist.

 

[LeafSteel]

Summer of Dorion continues

This one, along with Tkachuk having a temper tantrum after Muzzin absolutely played him like a fiddle are 2 of my absolute favourites.

Would love for someone to put them together so I can watch them over and over and over and........

Good on Zahorna for making good in the little opportunity he's had thus far, and cheers to Samsonov getting the shut-out.

Always feels good to beat the Senaturds, whether the game matters or not.

Go Leafs Go!

 

[Gary Nylund]

He hasn't had a good stretch since November, I'm a realist.

Murray's had some very good games recently, some of the games where he allowed 4 goals he was our best player as the rest of the guys didn't even show up.

 

[Alamo Leafer]

Off topic: holly crap I had no idea Dubas was a tall guy. We passed him & Spezza in the hallway, after they came out of their suite @ the Sens game, and I had to look up couple of inches & I'm 6.1.

 

[saltming]

Wouldnt be surprised to hear some nonsense about "power dynamics" behind this sort of attitude from the mods.

The largest fanbase must be the bad guys right?

...or its just plain old bias against Leafs fans seeing as we're on one of those outdated message board thingies.



Yea, up and down stretches this year probably due to the injuries not helping.

14-8-2, .905, +0.11 GSAx

Stats are the definition of "he's been fine" and should be feeling good for the playoffs *fingers crossed*

Samsonov up there with Shesterkin, Oettinger, Vasy, Saros and Helle for save% right now which is nice to see.

I take it as "we are able to handle it"
Imo I don't mind some rival poster coming here as long as the post aren't hateful or just pure vitriol

 

[Zybalto]

I take it as "we are able to handle it"
Imo I don't mind some rival poster coming here as long as the post aren't hateful or just pure vitriol

I'm good with it too but is it really that the other sides posters are completely thin skinned or is there a moderation issue when it comes to our team?

Hell, it could just be that they want to keep the smaller fanbases as happy as possible to keep the traffic going on those pages (not a huge problem here) and so will shut down anything that could upset those boards.

 

[saltming]

I'm good with it too but is it really that the other sides posters are completely thin skinned or is there a moderation issue when it comes to our team?

Hell, it could just be that they want to keep the smaller fanbases as happy as possible to keep the traffic going on those pages (not a huge problem here) and so will shut down anything that could upset those boards.

That's a realistic probability about the moderation. I've never thought of it that way.
Fair point

 

[Zybalto]

Murray's had some very good games recently, some of the games where he allowed 4 goals he was our best player as the rest of the guys didn't even show up.

Those 52 shots he faced against Ottawa with their season pretty much on the line when we won in the shootout were tied for the 2nd most allowed in a game since 2007 (I stopped looking before that too). I think that he (and that game) broke their spirit.

 

[sxvnert]

Dorion was smart enough to dump Murrays contract on the leafs for pennies on the dollar (3rd and a 7th). Now he'll need to dump a first to get rid of him.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Dorion was smart enough to dump Murrays contract on the leafs for pennies on the dollar (3rd and a 7th). Now he'll need to dump a first to get rid of him.

No, he won't.