Post-Game Talk: Leafs sink the Sharks

[Polaris1010]

Didn't we win though, so, how can it be that bad of offence?

Agree, and furthermore, in this head to head match up between Kadri and Thornton, didn't Kadri actually scored and Thornton did not get a point?

Tough night all around, held pointless and loss some beard.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

A head scratcher..,player usage was a mystery tonight.

Carrick and Borgman who hardly played in 3rd both got a shift in final 2 minutes of the game and Hainsey gets a 3 on 3 shift is nasty.

Mathews had a good game as did Nylander, Kadri and Rielly. Andy had a great game.

Love that Kadri stood up for himself.

It doesn’t seem very mysterious to me. You can’t play a game with 4 D. You need 6. They were fresh. It’s not hard to imagine that the top 4 was likely tired, and fresh legs on Carrick/Borgy were probably better than tired legs on the others.

 

[Discordia]

Didn't we win though, so, how can it be that bad of offence? I will assume You are JUST talking about bad offence for this one particular time/game; you mean 'bad offence' just in this game, but, yet, we won, so it couldn't be that bad of offence could it!

Silly argument - no offence.

You can start a line of Komo-Hyman-Polak in 3on3 OT and get a win. Do it 10 times you lose 8 of them. Do it 20 times you lose 16. You get the point.

Instead of going for the win and applying pressure to break the other team, you are trying to build a wall around the pressure the other team gets to create.

There is little to no puck possession on a Komo line, meaning the other team will have the puck most of the time. Meaning the Leafs will be chasing around in 3o3 as if they were killing a penalty.

Given the high danger scoring chances 3o3 generates - that's a losing game plan.

Anderson sucks in the shutout. Babcock should be going for the win in OT. Instead he plays it safe and most of the time it costs us.

 

[klmdg]

Babcock Infallibility: A dogma of the Maple Leaf Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Brendan to Mike, the Babcock is preserved from the possibility of error when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of the Maple Leafs, in virtue of his supreme coaching authority, he defines a doctrine concerning ice time for the Komorovs or the Hymans or the Polaks to be held by the whole Church. It is heresy to question any such doctrine as dumb, and any who do shall be deemed dumb on HF Boards by the righteous.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

3on3 is all about:

Puck possession
Speed
Stick Handling

It's not about:

Board work
Dump And Chase
Grinding

It's bad coaching.

This is just as true for 3v3 as it is for 4v4 and 5v5.

You’re not going to beat that Thornton line at possession. They’ve been one of the best possession lines in the league for many years now. That is exactly what they are known for. If the Matthews line was to be shut down and hemmed in, that was exactly the line that would do it. Not a great use of your highest skill players, playing in the defensive zone, is it?

The Kadri line is not exactly a dump and chase, grinding line. It has speed, possession and stick handling too, which is why they are a shut down unit that can score. There’s a reason Kadri is called Nifty Mittens, even if he’s been dry for a streak which he broke out of today.

Eventually, whatever line that gets put on first will have to come off the ice and someone will go on. Eventually Thornton had to come off and Matthews had to go on. When putting Matthews on, you’re trying to optimise the amount of time he’s going to be spending in the offensive zone. Putting him against Couture means maybe he’ll get 1:45 of ice time total, 0:50 of which in the offensive zone, whereas if he was stacked up against Thornton he might get 2:00 of ice time total, of which 0:45 are in the offensive zone.

You see, hockey is not as black and white as “if you play defence in 4v4, you’re wrong”, a professional knows that which is why you are not. And is probably why stronger thinkers of the game take exception to your over-simplistic yet disproportionately arrogant take on your own opinion.

 

[Gabriel426]

If I just read the forums, I would have thought we lost the game.
We won. That's all it's matters. Is Babs perfect, nope. But he knows what he is doing and most importantly, players listen to him.
Sometimes, I wonder how many trolls are actually pretending to be Leafs fans and just want to come here to piss true Leafs fans off.

From Matthews already peaked after his rookie season, to Willie is only good on International Ice(fact is he actually only played 1-2seasons on International Ice, as he pretty much played in NA rinks all his life.), to Marner is the bust of his draft year.......or how Hunter should have drafted Aho instead of Dermott....Lou gave up a 1st rounder for Andersen(31st pick and Leafs actually had the 32nd pick.), Lou is too old and well past it.....Hunter can't draft beyond the first round......have a feeling even if Leafs win the Cup, someone will come out and say like it was a fluke or it was all a tank job......

Leafs won got the 2 points, just be happy, till the next puck drop.

 

[stickty111]

This is just as true for 3v3 as it is for 4v4 and 5v5.

You’re not going to beat that Thornton line at possession. They’ve been one of the best possession lines in the league for many years now. That is exactly what they are known for. If the Matthews line was to be shut down and hemmed in, that was exactly the line that would do it. Not a great use of your highest skill players, playing in the defensive zone, is it?

The Kadri line is not exactly a dump and chase, grinding line. It has speed, possession and stick handling too, which is why they are a shut down unit that can score. There’s a reason Kadri is called Nifty Mittens, even if he’s been dry for a streak which he broke out of today.

Eventually, whatever line that gets put on first will have to come off the ice and someone will go on. Eventually Thornton had to come off and Matthews had to go on. When putting Matthews on, you’re trying to optimise the amount of time he’s going to be spending in the offensive zone. Putting him against Couture means maybe he’ll get 1:45 of ice time total, 0:50 of which in the offensive zone, whereas if he was stacked up against Thornton he might get 2:00 of ice time total, of which 0:45 are in the offensive zone.

You see, hockey is not as black and white as “if you play defence in 4v4, you’re wrong”, a professional knows that which is why you are not. And is probably why stronger thinkers of the game take exception to your over-simplistic yet disproportionately arrogant take on your own opinion.

Plus if you look at the overtimes this season, Babcock has started the right players in OT. He uses Komarov once and people start complaining.

Against Montreal? Nylander and Matthews in OT. So much for game has evolved past Babcock
Against Chicago? Kadri and Brown in OT. So much for game has evolved past Babcock
Against Golden Knights? Kadri and Marleau in OT. So much for game has evolved past Babcock
Against Calgary? Marner and Marleau in OT. So much for game has evolved past Babcock.
Against New Jersey? Kadri and Nylander. So much for game has evolved past Babcock
Against Colorado? Marleau and Marner in OT. So much for game has evolved past Babcock

 

[Discordia]

This is just as true for 3v3 as it is for 4v4 and 5v5.

You’re not going to beat that Thornton line at possession. They’ve been one of the best possession lines in the league for many years now. That is exactly what they are known for. If the Matthews line was to be shut down and hemmed in, that was exactly the line that would do it. Not a great use of your highest skill players, playing in the defensive zone, is it?

The Kadri line is not exactly a dump and chase, grinding line. It has speed, possession and stick handling too, which is why they are a shut down unit that can score. There’s a reason Kadri is called Nifty Mittens, even if he’s been dry for a streak which he broke out of today.

Eventually, whatever line that gets put on first will have to come off the ice and someone will go on. Eventually Thornton had to come off and Matthews had to go on. When putting Matthews on, you’re trying to optimise the amount of time he’s going to be spending in the offensive zone. Putting him against Couture means maybe he’ll get 1:45 of ice time total, 0:50 of which in the offensive zone, whereas if he was stacked up against Thornton he might get 2:00 of ice time total, of which 0:45 are in the offensive zone.

You see, hockey is not as black and white as “if you play defence in 4v4, you’re wrong”, a professional knows that which is why you are not. And is probably why stronger thinkers of the game take exception to your over-simplistic yet disproportionately arrogant take on your own opinion.

Not interested in debating with someone who is incapable of leaving out personal attacks in his replies.

I read your post and was interested in a debate on the topic of usage via Babcock until I came onto that last bit.

Completely uncalled for. Turned a potential discussion into a hostile argument.

Have a nice day.

 

[The Man with a Plan]

Great post Mavis

It is head shaking how many people don't understand why we had our shut down line out against the Jumbo line in OT. Babcock was doing what any good leader is supposed to do. Put people where they are most likely to succeed.

What a great game from start to finish.

Now to keep rolling on over the Nucks.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Not interested in debating with someone who is incapable of leaving out personal attacks in his replies.

I read your post and was interested in a debate on the topic of usage via Babcock until I came onto that last bit.

Completely uncalled for. Turned a potential discussion into a hostile argument.

Have a nice day.

That’s just fine by me. I’m experienced in not “debating” with those who make it known up front that their mind is made up and there is nothing more to discuss.

 

[Leafidelity]

Missed the game, but from the game in 6 (yeah I know), it seemed like SJ has no business being in the game. Most of their goals came from weird bounces.

 

[Maurice Del Taco]

Way to puck handle Freddie

 

[Rogie]

Silly argument - no offence.

You can start a line of Komo-Hyman-Polak in 3on3 OT and get a win. Do it 10 times you lose 8 of them. Do it 20 times you lose 16. You get the point.

Instead of going for the win and applying pressure to break the other team, you are trying to build a wall around the pressure the other team gets to create.

There is little to no puck possession on a Komo line, meaning the other team will have the puck most of the time. Meaning the Leafs will be chasing around in 3o3 as if they were killing a penalty.

Given the high danger scoring chances 3o3 generates - that's a losing game plan.

Anderson sucks in the shutout. Babcock should be going for the win in OT. Instead he plays it safe and most of the time it costs us.

I was talking about this specific situation - that is, this particular O/T game and situation. And, we won, so in this case it did NOT cost us.

But, you are suggesting that in these kind of scenarios (and, I'll assume again, you are still referring to O/T situations), that MOST OF THE TIME, it costs us. Isn't our O/T record really really good? What do you mean by 'most of the time'?

 

[Trapper]

Kadri just missed the Gordie Howe hat trick by 1 assist. What a bum.
Seriously great game by Naz to set the tone.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Didn't see the game but had to lol at Kadri and Joe dropping them 10 seconds in

 

[bobermay]

Also while Komarov seems like a waste on the PP (which is kind of is) the only other viable options to take his spot would be Brown, Hyman Martin, and Gauthier. This is because the Leafs go with the 4F 1D setup. Brown should probably in there in his place but Brown has struggled lately so there is some justification for not having him on the PP.

I mean the Leafs could go back to 2D without Komarov on the PP but that changes the entire set up and dynamic of one of the league's best PP's.

Hyman is our best ES player on that list, and I think should start getting more PP time. He's more deserving than the Browns and Komarovs.

My list of players I'd insert over Komarov on the PP in order are:
Hyman
Kapanen*
Brown
Zaitsev**
Borgman
Carrick



As for the Komarov in OT discussion... I really don't mind it IF Komarov gets off the ice as soon as we get possession. There was a time where we regained possession and he remained on the ice, and THAT is what I disliked.

 

[ottomaddox]

Kadri rips Joe Thornton's craft beard and hops fall all over the ice.

 

[DarkKnight]

People just live to complain, as far as I'm concerned, two good showings against excellent teams. Pick your spots.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Didn't see the game but had to lol at Kadri and Joe dropping them 10 seconds in

You missed a pretty good game, had a bit of everything in this one.

 

[ottomaddox]

If I just read the forums, I would have thought we lost the game.
We won. That's all it's matters. Is Babs perfect, nope. But he knows what he is doing and most importantly, players listen to him.
Sometimes, I wonder how many trolls are actually pretending to be Leafs fans and just want to come here to piss true Leafs fans off.

From Matthews already peaked after his rookie season, to Willie is only good on International Ice(fact is he actually only played 1-2seasons on International Ice, as he pretty much played in NA rinks all his life.), to Marner is the bust of his draft year.......or how Hunter should have drafted Aho instead of Dermott....Lou gave up a 1st rounder for Andersen(31st pick and Leafs actually had the 32nd pick.), Lou is too old and well past it.....Hunter can't draft beyond the first round......have a feeling even if Leafs win the Cup, someone will come out and say like it was a fluke or it was all a tank job......

Leafs won got the 2 points, just be happy, till the next puck drop.

It's the EA NHL 18 / Fantasy Pools phenomena. Stats are more important than wins.

 

[Walshy7]

Yep....it shows a lack of trust in Matthews and Nylander that they don't get to start in OT......let the other team try to defend them..
But that's Babcock.....

it shows a lack of ability to change from his gameplan by babcock. Line matching is a methid in order to not lose as opposed to win so why the f*** in OT are we trying not to lose? we arent some elite shootout team?. Babcocks coaching needs serious questions asked about it, Komarov, Hyman (not sure he did this ot but others he has) and even BRown should not touch the ice in OT unless we take a penalty.

Babcock is such a negative coach while our team is mostly made up of positive (attacking) players

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Not interested in debating with someone who is incapable of leaving out personal attacks in his replies.

I read your post and was interested in a debate on the topic of usage via Babcock until I came onto that last bit.

Completely uncalled for. Turned a potential discussion into a hostile argument.

Have a nice day.

Healthy debate without personal attacks is encouraged here. The only attacks should happen towards a coach who thinks that putting out a PK specialist and 4th liner in OT is a prudent move. And please stop with the “it worked,we won” argument because we had one of the worst OT records with this coach last year where he used this strategy more frequently. Admittedly he himself has corrected this flaw this year by rarely starting Komarov because he knows that it’s not the right strategy. He used it last night, it was dumb, let’s leave it at that.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Silly argument - no offence.

You can start a line of Komo-Hyman-Polak in 3on3 OT and get a win. Do it 10 times you lose 8 of them. Do it 20 times you lose 16. You get the point.

Instead of going for the win and applying pressure to break the other team, you are trying to build a wall around the pressure the other team gets to create.

There is little to no puck possession on a Komo line, meaning the other team will have the puck most of the time. Meaning the Leafs will be chasing around in 3o3 as if they were killing a penalty.

Given the high danger scoring chances 3o3 generates - that's a losing game plan.

Anderson sucks in the shutout. Babcock should be going for the win in OT. Instead he plays it safe and most of the time it costs us.

Aren't the Leafs 4-1 in overtime this year?

 

[Trapper]

Kadri rips Joe Thornton's craft beard and hops fall all over the ice.

It's got me thinking of the Jim Croce song. Don't tug on Superman's cape. You don't pull the beard off the ol Jumbo Joe and you don't mess around with Jim.

 

[BertCorbeau]

What is your point?

Well Hainsey's the team's best PKer ... So he'd definitely get a shift in OT to kill that Marner penalty