Friedman: Leafs interested in Vatrano

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NHL Rumors: Pittsburgh Penguins, Anaheim Ducks and the Toronto Maple Leafs - NHL Rumors

The Pittsburgh Penguins are seeing what's out there. The Toronto Maple Leafs have some interest in Anaheim Ducks winger Frank Vatrano.

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32 Thoughts: The Podcast

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In the same episode that Friedman linked Conor Timmins to the Leafs (which is now a done deal), he also linked Frank Vatrano to the Leafs (transciption of that part of the episode is in the first link).

He also says the Leafs couldn't make it work at 50% retention (roughly 1.8M), so reading between the lines, and assuming the Ducks would likely prefer not retaining salary on a 3 year contract they just signed, it could possibly work as a dollar in, dollar out trade.

Maybe something around Alex Kerfoot for Vatrano as a base could work (only 150k difference in cap hits), and the Ducks can flip Kerfoot as a rental more easily at the deadline than Vatrano's risky 3-year deal, while the Leafs get a similarly priced player that better fits their lineup.

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[dirtydanglez]

NHL Rumors: Pittsburgh Penguins, Anaheim Ducks and the Toronto Maple Leafs - NHL Rumors

The Pittsburgh Penguins are seeing what's out there. The Toronto Maple Leafs have some interest in Anaheim Ducks winger Frank Vatrano.

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32 Thoughts: The Podcast

Hockey fans already know the name, but this is not the blog. From Sportsnet, 32 Thoughts: The Podcast with Jeff Marek and NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman is a weekly deep dive into the biggest news and interviews from the hockey world.

www.sportsnet.ca

In the same episode that Friedman linked Conor Timmins to the Leafs (which is now a done deal), he also linked Frank Vatrano to the Leafs (transciption of that part of the episode is in the first link).

He also says the Leafs couldn't make it work at 50% retention (roughly 1.8M), so reading between the lines, and assuming the Ducks would likely prefer not retaining salary on a 3 year contract they just signed, it could possibly work as a dollar in, dollar out trade.

Maybe something around Alex Kerfoot for Vatrano as a base could work (only 150k difference in cap hits), and the Ducks can flip Kerfoot as a rental more easily at the deadline than Vatrano's risky 3-year deal, while the Leafs get a similarly priced player that better fits their lineup.

could work. kerfoots money was front loaded so it makes a lot of financial sense but i dont get what it does for the leafs.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Not sure why the ducks would want to move Vatrano

 

[Magic Man]

Calle Jarnkrok (31 years old, RW, 2.1M per for 4 years, 4G - 6pts in 21 games) for Frank Vatrano (28 years old, RW, 3.65M for 3 years, 4G - 6pts in 20 games)

Both of them can PK, similar offensive output, similar contracts, both signed this summer. Neither have been overly impressive, each team gets a restart with a new player that may fit better.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Calle Jarnkrok (31 years old, RW, 2.1M per for 4 years, 4G - 6pts in 21 games) for Frank Vatrano (28 years old, RW, 3.65M for 3 years, 4G - 6pts in 20 games)

Both of them can PK, similar offensive output, similar contracts, both signed this summer. Neither have been overly impressive, each team gets a restart with a new player that may fit better.

2 equal players but one has almost double the cap hit lol

 

[LuGBuG]

What? Why would Anaheim move Vatrano?

 

[bernmeister]

What? Why would Anaheim move Vatrano?

You wouldn't unless there is enuf profit to consider it

Rangers call dibs
I'll post a thread by w'e

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

As they they should be because while the core 4 are all scoring at a ppg or more nobody else is doing shit.

The big boys are all performing but

Kerfoot has 1 goal in 20 games

Bunting hasn't been the same although he seems to be picking it up.

Malgin does nothing.

Engvall has been awful although not the last couple games.

Jarnkork has been OK.

Kampf has been good.

The top 6 has been fine they are doing what they do.

The bottom 6 part hasn't done Jack shit.

Anything to give that a boost is needed

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Calle Jarnkrok (31 years old, RW, 2.1M per for 4 years, 4G - 6pts in 21 games) for Frank Vatrano (28 years old, RW, 3.65M for 3 years, 4G - 6pts in 20 games)

Both of them can PK, similar offensive output, similar contracts, both signed this summer. Neither have been overly impressive, each team gets a restart with a new player that may fit better.

hard pass. why pay an extra 1.5M per for a lateral move?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Calle Jarnkrok (31 years old, RW, 2.1M per for 4 years, 4G - 6pts in 21 games) for Frank Vatrano (28 years old, RW, 3.65M for 3 years, 4G - 6pts in 20 games)

Both of them can PK, similar offensive output, similar contracts, both signed this summer. Neither have been overly impressive, each team gets a restart with a new player that may fit better.

I think they'd work together on a line

 

[dracom]

ducks should have zero interest in kerfoot or jarnkrok. leafs are stuck with those players

 

[Drew311]

could work. kerfoots money was front loaded so it makes a lot of financial sense but i dont get what it does for the leafs.

Kerfoot has been awful this season. Absolutely useless. So Vatrano can’t be any worse.

 

[Stephen]

Such a modest desire.

 

[Stephen]

Kerfoot has been awful this season. Absolutely useless. So Vatrano can’t be any worse.

Well, Vatrano does technically have fewer points so it could be worse.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Vatrano doesn't move the needle. Very vanilla move from the Leafs.

 

[Magic Man]

I think they'd work together on a line

I don't want both of those contracts. It's one or the other for me.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Vatrano was added to provide leadership for the kids in how to approach playing the game as a professional, and 6 points playing for the Ducks is like 20 playing in Toronto. What is getting added to get Anaheim to have any interest in Toronto’s dead weight?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

As they they should be because while the core 4 are all scoring at a ppg or more nobody else is doing shit.

The big boys are all performing but

Kerfoot has 1 goal in 20 games

Bunting hasn't been the same although he seems to be picking it up.

Malgin does nothing.

Engvall has been awful although not the last couple games.

Jarnkork has been OK.

Kampf has been good.

The top 6 has been fine they are doing what they do.

The bottom 6 part hasn't done Jack shit.

Anything to give that a boost is needed

Matthews has been practically useless at 5-on-5 for the minutes he gets. I am not sure he has had a truly dominant game so far this year.

He has scored a fair bit on the PP, but he hasn't actually "shot" a 5-on-5 goal so far this year. We are 25% through the season and he is supposed to be the best shooter in the league.

Our bottom 6 guys are certainly capable of bringing more, and they have started to do so as the season has wore on. Kerfoot and Bunting especially need to convert some more of their chances.

The fact of the matter remains that all of these bottom 6 guys who have done "jack" have a similar number of points as he does at 5-on-5, and they've played far less minutes and in a pure defensive role. Never mind that they make less combined than Matthews alone, so the expectations are a fair bit lower.

That being said, I don't know why the Leafs would have any interest in Vatrano. He is far too pricey for our system, he is not better than most guys in our bottom 6 right now, and he doesn't even really bring any kind of element we do not already have in abundance on our team. Anaheim needs him a lot more than we do right now.

If we are spending assets, get a 3C or at least someone who upgrades our team.

 

[Gliff]

Ducks have no reason the move a guy they just signed, who has been pretty much exactly what was expected.

Especially for a guy they have to flip at the deadline.

 

[NMacrules]

For the love of all things good, please, please send Engvall the other way. He is dumb as a post and a give away machine. I dont understand what any fans see is this long necked dud.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I always felt the second the contract was signed it was an overpay. Vatrano has never hit 40 points and unless he is in the right scenario he probably never will. Now all that being said if the Ducks want to move him and retain 50% they should be calling the Rangers. He had some great chemistry and the Rangers could use exactly what he brings.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Not sure the Leafs need another goal scorer

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Matthews has been practically useless at 5-on-5 for the minutes he gets. I am not sure he has had a truly dominant game so far this year.

He has scored a fair bit on the PP, but he hasn't actually "shot" a 5-on-5 goal so far this year. We are 25% through the season and he is supposed to be the best shooter in the league.

Our bottom 6 guys are certainly capable of bringing more, and they have started to do so as the season has wore on. Kerfoot and Bunting especially need to convert some more of their chances.

The fact of the matter remains that all of these bottom 6 guys who have done "jack" have a similar number of points as he does at 5-on-5, and they've played far less minutes and in a pure defensive role. Never mind that they make less combined than Matthews alone, so the expectations are a fair bit lower.

That being said, I don't know why the Leafs would have any interest in Vatrano. He is far too pricey for our system, he is not better than most guys in our bottom 6 right now, and he doesn't even really bring any kind of element we do not already have in abundance on our team. Anaheim needs him a lot more than we do right now.

If we are spending assets, get a 3C or at least someone who upgrades our team.

Vatrano has to be better than most of our bottom 6 because most of our bottom 6 doesn't do anything.

Why do you think with 4 players at a PPG or more is where they are in terms offensive stats?

It's because the bottom 6 gives them almost nothing.

I have always said to win a cup you need at least 1 guy on the 3rd line that's good enough to be on the 2nd.

Case in point Pittsburgh with Kessel

Tampa with Coleman and Goodraw.

Based on what we saw out of the bottom 6 last year we should have that but we don't.

I
don't know where it went but it's gone it's not slowed down or dropped it's GONE.

And no it's not because Soup 2.0 went to Vancouver because he had a career high of 8 goals before last year.

Anything that can help that should be done

 

[AcerComputer]

Kerfoot is far more proven, and is going through a scoring slump. While peak Vatrano is still worse than Kerfoot.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Kerfoot is far more proven, and is going through a scoring slump. While peak Vatrano is still worse than Kerfoot.

1 goal in 20 games isn't a slump that's different that's not a slump anymore