Leafs cap issues come the off season of 2019?
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I would double check your numbers. They don't sound right at first glance
Edit: the Leafs have 31.5 million in cap space in 2019
Edit: the Leafs have 31.5 million in cap space in 2019
glucker
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That site should help. Safe to assume the cap going up by a couple million, too.
The Leafs will likely let Hainsey and Gardiner walk, and will have plenty of room for the rest.
Yep your right I'm off by a few million
Canada4Gold
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I find starting from this season and subtracting numbers as they come off is a bad way of going about it. CapFriendly has the current number for 2019/20 with the guys who are under contract for that season. Might as well start there and add on the contract guesses from there. Less work, and as this season starts and tweaks happen it will be more accurate too.
Right now we have 31.5 cap space in 19/20 with 5F/3D/1G signed. Estimate 25ish for the big 3(on the high end IMO) and add back the LTIR for Horton gives us 11.8 space for 4 forwards, 3 D, a goalie and 3 extras. Kapanen for 2, and use Grundstrom, Borgman, Lil, and one of the young goalies all for sub million leaves 6 million for 2 forwards, 1 defence man and 3 extras for about a million a piece. Those could include Carrick, Leivo cheaper resigns or other prospects. Marleau's contract is structured where it potentially could be moved if he agrees if necessary, as well as any extra space from the big 3 signing for less than estimated, and a likely couple million cap increase as usual.
It'll be tight for sure but doable. For sure the stars and 'scrubs', cap management style.
Right now we have 31.5 cap space in 19/20 with 5F/3D/1G signed. Estimate 25ish for the big 3(on the high end IMO) and add back the LTIR for Horton gives us 11.8 space for 4 forwards, 3 D, a goalie and 3 extras. Kapanen for 2, and use Grundstrom, Borgman, Lil, and one of the young goalies all for sub million leaves 6 million for 2 forwards, 1 defence man and 3 extras for about a million a piece. Those could include Carrick, Leivo cheaper resigns or other prospects. Marleau's contract is structured where it potentially could be moved if he agrees if necessary, as well as any extra space from the big 3 signing for less than estimated, and a likely couple million cap increase as usual.
It'll be tight for sure but doable. For sure the stars and 'scrubs', cap management style.
Jmo89
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Your numbers for next season aren't correct, as pointed out above. It should also be noted that in 2020-21 Marleau and Horton both expire, meaning if Toronto needs to push bonuses and/or use the ltir next off season it won't be an issue the following season (2020-21).
Next season will require some smart management by Dubas, but the much more exciting news is that after next seasons cap crunch Toronto will have Matthews*, Marner*, Nylander*, Tavares, Rielly, and Kadri signed for two more seasons with cap space for additions.
*Assuming those guys all get signed to 5+ year contracts.
The management team has actually handled the cap exceptionally well. The cap issues are a one year blip that the media is obsessing about.
Toronto's window is probably opening this season to truly be a contender, and in 20-21 they're most likely going to be able to add to the current core opening the window even wider.
Edit: Also, unless management decides to trade one of the big three for defence which is entirely possible, if someone is getting cut for next year due to cap issues, its Gardiner, not Nylander.
Next season will require some smart management by Dubas, but the much more exciting news is that after next seasons cap crunch Toronto will have Matthews*, Marner*, Nylander*, Tavares, Rielly, and Kadri signed for two more seasons with cap space for additions.
*Assuming those guys all get signed to 5+ year contracts.
The management team has actually handled the cap exceptionally well. The cap issues are a one year blip that the media is obsessing about.
Toronto's window is probably opening this season to truly be a contender, and in 20-21 they're most likely going to be able to add to the current core opening the window even wider.
Edit: Also, unless management decides to trade one of the big three for defence which is entirely possible, if someone is getting cut for next year due to cap issues, its Gardiner, not Nylander.
- Anticipate a minimum ~$3M increase in the cap
- Trade Gardiner to San Jose for picks/prospects
- Trade picks/prospects/depth to Minnesota for Jared Spurgeon
- Bridge Nylander for 2 years, take the hit in 2020
- LTIR Horton (in 2019, not this year)
Hyman (2.25) - Tavares (11) - Marner (7.5) - 20.75
Marleau (6.25) - Matthews (10.75) - Nylander (4.5) - 21.5
Johnsson (2) - Kadri (4.5) - Kapanen (2.5) - 9
Grundstrom (.925) - Lindholm (1) - Brown (2.1) - 4.025
"Press-box" (.75)
Forwards - 56.025
Rielly (5) - Spurgeon (5.1875) - 10.1875
Dermott (.863) - Zaitsev (4.5) - 5.363
Rosen (1) - Liljegren (.894) - 1.894
Borgman (1) - Ozhiganov (1) - 2
Defense - 19.4445
Andersen (5)
Sparks (1)
Goalies - 6
Phil Kessel (1.2)
Total - 82.6695
Cup Victory - Priceless
- Trade Gardiner to San Jose for picks/prospects
- Trade picks/prospects/depth to Minnesota for Jared Spurgeon
- Bridge Nylander for 2 years, take the hit in 2020
- LTIR Horton (in 2019, not this year)
Hyman (2.25) - Tavares (11) - Marner (7.5) - 20.75
Marleau (6.25) - Matthews (10.75) - Nylander (4.5) - 21.5
Johnsson (2) - Kadri (4.5) - Kapanen (2.5) - 9
Grundstrom (.925) - Lindholm (1) - Brown (2.1) - 4.025
"Press-box" (.75)
Forwards - 56.025
Rielly (5) - Spurgeon (5.1875) - 10.1875
Dermott (.863) - Zaitsev (4.5) - 5.363
Rosen (1) - Liljegren (.894) - 1.894
Borgman (1) - Ozhiganov (1) - 2
Defense - 19.4445
Andersen (5)
Sparks (1)
Goalies - 6
Phil Kessel (1.2)
Total - 82.6695
Cup Victory - Priceless
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Yeah I F***Ed up those numbers that's for sure didn't think that through too well! Appreciate everyone's thoughts though with the correct numbers in place from other people!
Your numbers are off. They have $15.5 million in cap space right now, plus they have the exemption money due to Horton's injury if they need to use it. They are able to exceed the cap because of that.
15.5 million as of now becomes...
Josh Leivo expires= $925,000
Auston Matthews expires= $925,000
Mitch Marner expires= $900,000
Kasperi Kapanen expires= $850,000
Tyler Ennis expires= $650,000
Jake Gardiner expires= $4 million
Ron Hainsey expires= $3 million
Connor Carrick expires= $1.3 million
Curtis McElhinney= $850,000
Total= $13.4 million
15.5 + 13.4 = $28.9 million
William Nylander + Mitch Marner = $14 million (whether that's 7 and 7, 8 and 6 or 7.5 and 6.5 is irrelevant to the point)
Auston Matthews= $10 million
If the cap doesn't increase (it almost certainly will by a little bit) you have just shy of $5 million remaining in space before you consider being able to exceed the cap due too Horton's LTIR money.
15.5 million as of now becomes...
Josh Leivo expires= $925,000
Auston Matthews expires= $925,000
Mitch Marner expires= $900,000
Kasperi Kapanen expires= $850,000
Tyler Ennis expires= $650,000
Jake Gardiner expires= $4 million
Ron Hainsey expires= $3 million
Connor Carrick expires= $1.3 million
Curtis McElhinney= $850,000
Total= $13.4 million
15.5 + 13.4 = $28.9 million
William Nylander + Mitch Marner = $14 million (whether that's 7 and 7, 8 and 6 or 7.5 and 6.5 is irrelevant to the point)
Auston Matthews= $10 million
If the cap doesn't increase (it almost certainly will by a little bit) you have just shy of $5 million remaining in space before you consider being able to exceed the cap due too Horton's LTIR money.
A1LeafNation
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There are literally two contracts that aren’t below market value as of July 2019.
1. Zaitsev can turn this into a below market deal if he can regain his form.
2. Marleau who can be traded after his bonus is paid out back to SJ to retire. They are looking for players.
Matthews (10) Marner (7.5) Nylander (7) all per year at 8 years for RFAs will be below market value and should be the goal for all parties involved. If an UFA like a Tavares took a below market value, the rest should follow that example.
1. Zaitsev can turn this into a below market deal if he can regain his form.
2. Marleau who can be traded after his bonus is paid out back to SJ to retire. They are looking for players.
Matthews (10) Marner (7.5) Nylander (7) all per year at 8 years for RFAs will be below market value and should be the goal for all parties involved. If an UFA like a Tavares took a below market value, the rest should follow that example.
Wouldn't the shorter the term mean the higher the cap hit for a UFA in their prime like Gardiner?
Trading Gardiner for Spurgeon 1 for 1 with Minnesota might be an easier deal since Gardiner is from there and would be likely to re-sign with them on an expiring contract.
both teams have to agree to a trade. i don't envision any logical scenario where the wild would agree to that trade
Stephen
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Thanks, tips. Literally just stated the logic but glad you came to explain how trades work.
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If it is, do it up, but they have Brodin and Suter on the left side already. (Unless one of them plays their off-side, in which case, that's perfect)
mallory67
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A lot of worry out there about the Cap.
Can we just understand that not having any players wroth more then 5-6 Million was not exactly a good thing right?
It meant we had no NHL level stars. For years we had nobody and no Cap problems. We also had no success.
To win we need awesome players and yes those awesome payers cost $10M give or take a couple of million.
Bring on the tight Cap!
Can we just understand that not having any players wroth more then 5-6 Million was not exactly a good thing right?
It meant we had no NHL level stars. For years we had nobody and no Cap problems. We also had no success.
To win we need awesome players and yes those awesome payers cost $10M give or take a couple of million.
Bring on the tight Cap!
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