LD Ty Smith - Spokane Chiefs, WHL (2018, 17th, NJD)

[PAZ]

Imagine the love this guy would be getting if he was drafted by a big market team?

You mean he would be overhyped?

He's an offensive defenseman in his D+1 year, he's expected to put up points.

He's similar to Anthony DeAngelo, who put up 89 points in 55 games who hasn't exactly panned out. Not saying he's going to follow the same path as DeAngelo, just saying he's doing what he should be so far.

 

[landy92mack29]

Actually he's a 2-way dman who is used in every situation who also wears the "C" aka isn't a head case(a big reason why Deangelo isn't a every game player as well as god awful defensive play). What he's doing is tremendous and why he should've been a top 10 pick(top 5 for me)

 

[Kurt Cobain]

25 points in 16 games. Tied for the lead in points among defensman in the WHL. Has three games in hand on the player he's tied with. Is second in assists in the entire league. On pace for well over 100+ points if he played in every game. Don't expect him to do that though because I can't see him not being on the WJC team. I can't remember too many defensman off the top of my head putting up the amount of offensive this guy is from the defense. Especially a player who still has another year of Junior eligibility.

Can anyone who watches him on a regular basis go into more detail than my stat watching? Seems like a player whos flying under the radar and who deserves much more hype.

 

[thrillhous]

Since the lockout, so 2005/06 to date, the following D have put up 1.0 PPG or better in the WHL as a U19 player:

1.56 - Ty Smith (this season, it's early)
1.27 - Brenden Kichton
1.24 - Josh Morrissey
1.20 - David Quenneville
1.18 - Ivan Provorov
1.14 - Tyson Barrie
1.13 - Shea Theodore
1.13 - Henri Jokiharju
1.12 - Calen Addison (this season, it's early)
1.06 - Ty Smith (age 17!)
1.05 - Jake Bean
1.03 - Joe Hicketts
1.02 - Derrick Pouliot
1.02 - Jusso Valimaki
1.02 - Ivan Provorov (age 17!)
1.00 - Morgan Rielly (age 17!)

Pretty good list of players. Smith has the highest PPG as a U18 player since the lockout and is currently leading all U19 players since the lockout in PPG as well.

But according to some he's just doing what he should be doing so far?

 

[RogerRoger]

I was beside myself when the Panthers passed on him.

 

[VoidCreature]

28 points in 17 games now. 11th in WHL scoring, tops among defensemen.

Leading his team with 1.65 Pts/Game.

 

[bishop12]

You mean he would be overhyped?

He's an offensive defenseman in his D+1 year, he's expected to put up points.

He's similar to Anthony DeAngelo, who put up 89 points in 55 games who hasn't exactly panned out. Not saying he's going to follow the same path as DeAngelo, just saying he's doing what he should be so far.

Is Deangelo used for every bloody example of a offensive smaller dman as a reason he'll bust? Tiresome. Not every player is the same.

 

[bishop12]

He isn't compromising the rest of his game for those stats either. That's why he's a top notch prospect. To me, that's why his game will translate at the NHL level.

 

[EXTRAS]

Since the lockout, so 2005/06 to date, the following D have put up 1.0 PPG or better in the WHL as a U19 player:

1.56 - Ty Smith (this season, it's early)
1.27 - Brenden Kichton
1.24 - Josh Morrissey
1.20 - David Quenneville
1.18 - Ivan Provorov
1.14 - Tyson Barrie
1.13 - Shea Theodore
1.13 - Henri Jokiharju
1.12 - Calen Addison (this season, it's early)
1.06 - Ty Smith (age 17!)
1.05 - Jake Bean
1.03 - Joe Hicketts
1.02 - Derrick Pouliot
1.02 - Jusso Valimaki
1.02 - Ivan Provorov (age 17!)
1.00 - Morgan Rielly (age 17!)

Pretty good list of players. Smith has the highest PPG as a U18 player since the lockout and is currently leading all U19 players since the lockout in PPG as well.

But according to some he's just doing what he should be doing so far?

1.65

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Devils desperately need his defensive skillset. Only Seversom can exit the zone with any regularity. Ty will help there

 

[EpicDing]

Not to derail, but some of you need to watch DeAngelo again. 7 points in ten games and has been playing regularly on a pairing with Skjei averaging 19+ mins a game. Not a liability defensively either. Certainly not a bust, he's just hitting his stride now.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

You mean he would be overhyped?

He's an offensive defenseman in his D+1 year, he's expected to put up points.

He's similar to Anthony DeAngelo, who put up 89 points in 55 games who hasn't exactly panned out. Not saying he's going to follow the same path as DeAngelo, just saying he's doing what he should be so far.

"doing what he should be doing thus far"

so he "should" be the best offensive DMan in the WHL in 15-20 years?

 

[cg98]

You mean he would be overhyped?

He's an offensive defenseman in his D+1 year, he's expected to put up points.

He's similar to Anthony DeAngelo, who put up 89 points in 55 games who hasn't exactly panned out. Not saying he's going to follow the same path as DeAngelo, just saying he's doing what he should be so far.

He plays nothing like DeAngelo.

 

[A91]

(Don Cherry Voice) Good Lloydminster boy.
I like most had him just outside the pack of Bouchard, Dobson, Boqvist and Hughes.
Now he is very much with them. 2018 is looking like a fantastic draft for dmen.

 

[Deam78]

"doing what he should be doing thus far"

so he "should" be the best offensive DMan in the WHL in 15-20 years?

Wasn't his scoring numbers in the WHL last season the best by a 17-year defenseman in over 15 years?

Not saying what he's doing isn't impressive, I very like him as a prospect. But knowing he basically did that last year, the expectations of him doing this this year are legit expectations, hence "doing what he should be doing thus far".

 

[bishop12]

(Don Cherry Voice) Good Lloydminster boy.
I like most had him just outside the pack of Bouchard, Dobson, Boqvist and Hughes.
Now he is very much with them. 2018 is looking like a fantastic draft for dmen.

Ty Smith > Boqvist

 

[A91]

Ty Smith > Boqvist

Meh still way, way too early to declare anyone is better than anyone else. Especially with dmen.

 

[PAZ]

He plays nothing like DeAngelo.

You mean the DeAngelo in the NHL? Of course he's going to look different than Smith who is playing in the WHL.

"doing what he should be doing thus far"

so he "should" be the best offensive DMan in the WHL in 15-20 years?

Would you prefer if I said Ryan Ellis, who lit up the OHL as well? Both Ellis and DeAngelos are comparables. They're all 5'10-5'11 defenseman who 'were the best offensive defenseman of the OHL in the last 15-20 years' drafted in the mid 1st.

My point is that he was drafted because he's an offensive defenseman who should be putting up tons of point in the CHL. There was never going to be any concern about putting up numbers in the CHL. The question mark will be how his game translates to the pro level. Both DeAngelo and Ellis had a hard transition and both were considered busts as some point - they are both doing fine now.

I'm really confused why people think comparing Ty Smith to what his peers did in the CHL is some sort of insult.

 

[The Colonel]

TSN just released their Top 4 under 24 team by team list.

They rather shaded Ty Smith. Raised questions about how his game will translate. Rated him below Alexeyev among others.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Actually he's a 2-way dman who is used in every situation who also wears the "C" aka isn't a head case(a big reason why Deangelo isn't a every game player as well as god awful defensive play). What he's doing is tremendous and why he should've been a top 10 pick(top 5 for me)

Its clear nobody in this thread has watched DeAngelo this season.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

You mean the DeAngelo in the NHL? Of course he's going to look different than Smith who is playing in the WHL.



Would you prefer if I said Ryan Ellis, who lit up the OHL as well? Both Ellis and DeAngelos are comparables. They're all 5'10-5'11 defenseman who 'were the best offensive defenseman of the OHL in the last 15-20 years' drafted in the mid 1st.

My point is that he was drafted because he's an offensive defenseman who should be putting up tons of point in the CHL. There was never going to be any concern about putting up numbers in the CHL. The question mark will be how his game translates to the pro level. Both DeAngelo and Ellis had a hard transition and both were considered busts as some point - they are both doing fine now.

I'm really confused why people think comparing Ty Smith to what his peers did in the CHL is some sort of insult.

Watching Smith in the preseason made it painfully obvious his game will translate to the big leagues. I feel pretty comfortable in saying that he is already one of the top 4 or 5 dmen in the organization.

 

[bishop12]

Meh still way, way too early to declare anyone is better than anyone else. Especially with dmen.

well for now, if I were NJ, I would not deal Smith for Boq.

 

[Tryamkin]

TSN just released their Top 4 under 24 team by team list.

They rather shaded Ty Smith. Raised questions about how his game will translate. Rated him below Alexeyev among others.

Alexeyev and Smith are very close right now, hard to distinguish. I do give Alexeyev the edge offensively right now in part to his goal scoring which has boosted tremendously, but Smith has done a great job so far setting up and is nothing to sneeze at either. Smith isn’t one to ‘graze over’

 

[Dominance]

TSN just released their Top 4 under 24 team by team list.

They rather shaded Ty Smith. Raised questions about how his game will translate. Rated him below Alexeyev among others.

Well, that’s just dumb. As an avid WHL fan, Alexeyev has had a surprising season, but his puck skills/hockey IQ/skating are all notably inferior to Smith’s. Obviously I haven’t watched every game, but neither has whatever analyst came up with this brilliant opinion.

 

[slumpy43]

Here's the link

https://www.tsn.ca/mcdavid-carries-oilers-to-top-of-core-4-under-24-list-1.1209806

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Well, that’s just dumb. As an avid WHL fan, Alexeyev has had a surprising season, but his puck skills/hockey IQ/skating are all notably inferior to Smith’s. Obviously I haven’t watched every game, but neither has whatever analyst came up with this brilliant opinion.

Smith is just a beauty to watch, he makes so much stuff look effortless, going to be a steal at 17.

Very good group of D coming from this draft.