Lars Eller as a 4C ?

[Lafleurs Guy]

Lars Eller - The LW Edition

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[Nynja*]

Larry and Chucky looked great last night with Ghetto, who is hardly an established NHLer but is someone who uses their speed.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Eller has one assist in 22 games. That projects to 3 over the course of this season.

He was 71 assists in 385 career regular season games. That equates to 15 per 82 games which in turn equates to limited power play time and his demotion to wing.

He's never going to be a play maker. His future in the NHL is as a penalty killer and a bottom 6 winger.

 

[Price is Wright]

Eller has one assist in 22 games. That projects to 3 over the course of this season.

He was 71 assists in 385 career regular season games. That equates to 15 per 82 games which in turn equates to limited power play time and his demotion to wing.

He's never going to be a play maker. His future in the NHL is as a penalty killer and a bottom 6 winger.

Habs only have one line that makes sense as a "bottom six" line and that's the fourth line.

Galchenyuk needs a top six capable LW and RW. He has neither right now unless Eller goes on his patented hot streaks or Andrighetto becomes a capable top six RW.

 

[lamp9post]

Larry and Chucky looked great last night with Ghetto, who is hardly an established NHLer but is someone who uses their speed.

I hope we get to see this line together for an extended period.

EGG line 2.0! Eller-Galchenyuk-Ghetto

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Eller has one assist in 22 games. That projects to 3 over the course of this season.

He was 71 assists in 385 career regular season games. That equates to 15 per 82 games which in turn equates to limited power play time and his demotion to wing.

He's never going to be a play maker. His future in the NHL is as a penalty killer and a bottom 6 winger.

I'm not certain he's destined to be a bottom six winger. He can be a center or a middle 6 forward depending on the team.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Habs only have one line that makes sense as a "bottom six" line and that's the fourth line.

Galchenyuk needs a top six capable LW and RW. He has neither right now unless Eller goes on his patented hot streaks or Andrighetto becomes a capable top six RW.

I'd say Eller has been better than Galchenyuk this year so far.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

I'd say Eller has been better than Galchenyuk this year so far.

I would not. I don't see it at all.

 

[MXD]

I'd say Eller has been better than Galchenyuk this year so far.

I wouldn't say so, but it's certainly arguable.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I would not. I don't see it at all.

The real difference in production between these guys is that Eller has produced goals and Galchenyuk's been put on the PP. Eller does a lot of the grunt work on that line.

Galchenyuk needs to start hitting the net a little better and their production will go up. They've had their chances.

 

[JLP]

Since being promoted to the 2nd line Eller has 2min less TOI/G than last season on the 3rd line.

But have to say he has not impressed this season.

 

[MXD]

Since being promoted to the 2nd line Eller has 2min less TOI/G than last season on the 3rd line.

But have to say he has not impressed this season.

Mostly a ripple effect of the line underperforming (and of DD line over performing).

 

[Nynja*]

The real difference in production between these guys is that Eller has produced goals and Galchenyuk's been put on the PP. Eller does a lot of the grunt work on that line.

Galchenyuk needs to start hitting the net a little better and their production will go up. They've had their chances.

Hopefully Chucky's goal last night will get him going and Larry can start getting some assists.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

I'm not certain he's destined to be a bottom six winger. He can be a center or a middle 6 forward depending on the team.

Here's a career assists per game average of all 13 habs forwards:

DD .43
Semin .43
Plekanec .40
Pacioretty .34
Galchenyuk .33
Fleishman .32
Gally .30
Byron .22
DSP .19
Eller .18
Wiese .15
Flynn .14
Mitchell .14

While it's only one measure, one tends to associate centers with assists. Eller has 385 games under his belt. He is what he is. A play maker is not what he is. His numbers seem to suggest a bottom 6 player. He had his moment in the sun during the lockout season. Other than that odd season, he's produced at the level of a bottom six player.

When DSP and Byron have higher assists per game averages over the course of a career, that speaks volumes.

 

[MXD]

Hopefully Chucky's goal last night will get him going and Larry can start getting some assists.

Sorry, but Lars Eller getting assists should be priority #83748 at this point. Like, its just ****ing irrelevant.

 

[Nynja*]

Sorry, but Lars Eller getting assists should be priority #83748 at this point. Like, its just ****ing irrelevant.

Care to list the 83747 priorities above that one? Who needs to get Chucky going right? Thats "just ****ing irrelevant".

 

[MXD]

Care to list the 83747 priorities above that one? Who needs to get Chucky going right? Thats "just ****ing irrelevant".

Well, what if Galch scores, but he's assisted by the RW or the D-Men ?

The end result is the exact same : Habs score.

CeterisParibus, 5 ES goals by that line (including D's) in 4 games, on which Eller has one assist (and, say, a goal) is better than 4 ES goals by that line including D's in 4 games, on which Eller has 3 assists and a goal.

 

[DAChampion]

Care to list the 83747 priorities above that one? Who needs to get Chucky going right? Thats "just ****ing irrelevant".

I'm not sure but I think that MXD was exaggerating when he said there were 83747 priorities. It may be that he didn't actually have an enumerated list.

Who knows?



Some actual priorities:

1) Maintaining the total competency of the number 1 line now that linchpin Brendan Gallagher is injured. This will mean some intelligent experiments from Therrien, but I suspect he won't be able to find a solution. Gallagher is a deep loss.

2) Accomplishing item #1 without cratering the rest of the lineup.

3) Galchenyuk's continued development.

4) Competently investigating if Holloway, Andrighetto, etc are actually capable of performing at the NHL level.

 

[Brainiac]

Sorry, but Lars Eller getting assists should be priority #83748 at this point. Like, its just ****ing irrelevant.

According to some posters around here, Eller is a great playmaker and it's only poor coaching that leads to his abnormal G/A ratio.

 

[Nynja*]

Well, what if Galch scores, but he's assisted by the RW or the D-Men ?

The end result is the exact same : Habs score.

CeterisParibus, 5 ES goals by that line (including D's) in 4 games, on which Eller has one assist (and, say, a goal) is better than 3 ES goals by that line including D's in 4 games, on which Eller has 3 assists and a goal.

Ok and yet that line HASNT been scoring regardless of Eller's assists or not. Chucky hasnt been scoring, Semin hasnt been scoring, any of Semin's replacements havent been scoring...which is why getting Chucky going is not "just ****ing irrelevant".

 

[MXD]

Ok and yet that line HASNT been scoring regardless of Eller's assists or not. Chucky hasnt been scoring, Semin hasnt been scoring, any of Semin's replacements havent been scoring...which is why getting Chucky going is not "just ****ing irrelevant".

Let's just be clear, because you apparently missed something.

Everything else being otherwise equal :

1 - If Galchenyuk gets going and Eller gets lots of assists : Great
2 - If Galchenyuk gets going and Eller doesn't get lots of assists : Great
3 - If Galchenyuk doesn't get going that much, but the line otherwise scores at the same pace as no 1 (presumably, high), and Eller gets lots of assists : Great
4 - If Galchenyuk doesn't get going that much, but the line otherwise scores at the same pace as no 1 (presumably, high), and Eller doesn't get lots of assists : Great (that probably involves Eller scoring lots of these goals)
5 - If Galchenyuk doesn't get going that much, and the line doesn't score much, and Eller gets an assist on every damn goal : I couldn't care less about Eller's assists, because that's a bad situation.
6 - If Galchenyuk doesn't get going that much, and the line doesn't score much, and Eller gets nearly no assists : That's a bad situation.

This is why Eller getting assists is pretty damn irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, not to mention that this is just one line out of four, and that one of those other lines lost a very important part, like, yesterday (and another lost TWO parts as well, including the most important player).

 

[Nynja*]

If Chucky's getting goals, Eller's going to get some assists. Chucky's not gonna pot 20 ESG and have only 3 assisted by Eller if they're paired up for the rest of the season.

 

[Price is Wright]

If Chucky's getting goals, Eller's going to get some assists. Chucky's not gonna pot 20 ESG and have only 3 assisted by Eller if they're paired up for the rest of the season.

Eller's last five points has Galchenyuk involved three times.

Galchenyuk's last five points has Eller involved only once.

 

[MXD]

If Chucky's getting goals, Eller's going to get some assists. Chucky's not gonna pot 20 ESG and have only 3 assisted by Eller if they're paired up for the rest of the season.

There are many, many positives that would come from Galchenyuk scoring 20 ESG in 61 games. Eller having more assists is way, way down the line of those "positives".

 

[Nynja*]

Eller's last five points has Galchenyuk involved three times.

Galchenyuk's last five points has Eller involved only once.

9 2015-11-03 MTL OTT 2 06:13 PP Goal by Dale Weise, assisted by Alex Galchenyuk and Andrei Markov
10 2015-11-07 MTL BOS 3 08:58 EV Goal by Lars Eller, assisted by Alex Galchenyuk and Devante Smith-Pelly
11 2015-11-07 MTL BOS 3 18:52PP Goal by David Desharnais, assisted by Alex Galchenyuk and Andrei Markov
12 2015-11-20 MTL @ NYI 1 18:17 EV Goal by Nathan Beaulieu, assisted by Alex Galchenyuk and Devante Smith-Pelly
13 2015-11-22 MTL NYI 3 16:31PP Goal by Alex Galchenyuk, assisted by P.K. Subban and Andrei Markov



Eller wasnt even applicable for 3 of Galchenyuk's last 5 points.