TSN: Kyle Dubas has been hired as the Pittsburgh Penguins' President of Hockey Operations.
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JaegerDice
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Infuriatingly fantastic hire for a franchise and ownership group that really didnt need any more success in the near future
Squirrel in the Hole
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$$$What ever happened to the it's "Toronto" only or its no were??? That was relatively quick flip flop
TheGroceryStick
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I'm kinda interested in all that happened here. I'm fine with any speculation...but it's interesting to me.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
1. Leafs seem interested in retaining Dubas
2. Dubas brings up family, how he needs to look at things..if he even wants GM and that he doesn't see himself anywhere else
3. Seems like he wants a sizable raise and other perks
4. Leafs pull back on offers and essentially part ways.
5. Dubas takes on role as president in Pitt.
Now the speculating part.
-Did Dubas go guns firing after Shanny's job?
-Did Shanny shoot first and basically fire him - for coming after his job.
-Was there ownership discussions about Shanny vs Dubas for new president?
-Did Pittsburgh make it clear they wanted Dubas as the president, and he was leveraging that in Toronto.
-Any info on what he's making in Pitt compared to what was offered in Toronto?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
1. Leafs seem interested in retaining Dubas
2. Dubas brings up family, how he needs to look at things..if he even wants GM and that he doesn't see himself anywhere else
3. Seems like he wants a sizable raise and other perks
4. Leafs pull back on offers and essentially part ways.
5. Dubas takes on role as president in Pitt.
Now the speculating part.
-Did Dubas go guns firing after Shanny's job?
-Did Shanny shoot first and basically fire him - for coming after his job.
-Was there ownership discussions about Shanny vs Dubas for new president?
-Did Pittsburgh make it clear they wanted Dubas as the president, and he was leveraging that in Toronto.
-Any info on what he's making in Pitt compared to what was offered in Toronto?
TheGroceryStick
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GirardSpinorama
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It seems that the ultimate issue with Dubas and the Leafs likely came down to money, and Dubas was trying to leverage the family "stresses" to justify the proposed pay raise.
The Penguins are likely going to full re-build within the next few seasons so I can't see him building a winner anytime soon. He will be making more money and under a lot less stress and lower expectations so he ultimately wins financially.
The Penguins are likely going to full re-build within the next few seasons so I can't see him building a winner anytime soon. He will be making more money and under a lot less stress and lower expectations so he ultimately wins financially.
Lets be honest for a moment and admit that the Sharks being willing to make a worse signing doesn't mean we made a great signing. San Jose is greatly feeling the effects of some of their decisions over that time period at the moment. Heck, one could argue they could see their current problems coming and may have seen JT as the piece to push them over in their last year or two of contention while the Leafs were obviously still young and not going to make that leap quite yet.
Anyway, This is a good signing of a young(by management standards) talent with a lot of experience and potential to grow. It's time for him to prove whether or not his statements about Shanahan pulling the strings were in fact detrimental.
Penguins fans better hope Keefe doesn't hit the market for an HCing position though. Myself and a largish portion of the leads board had more issues with him than Dubas and he was widely seen as Dubas' guy.
Sidney the Kidney
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Bunting, maybe. But there's no room on the roster for Holl unless Dubas moves one of the existing RHD contracts (Letang, Petry, Rutta, Ruhwedel).
TheGroceryStick
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Don't underestimate Dubas' ability to find a spot for Mr. Holl. I guess the GM position is open too...
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The Madrigal
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I couldn't agree more. Is there a more overrated executive in hockey than Dubas. He was sold as this prodigy who was going to take the Leafs to the promised land and they ended up being a playoff disappointment year after year after year. Going to Pittsburgh with a very aging core he is in a far worse situation than he was in in Toronto. As a Flyers fan I was hoping Dubas would end up there.
The Madrigal
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Fantastic hire based on what exactly? All of the success he had in Toronto being gift wrapped a generational talent in Matthews and two young studs in Marner and Nylander. Oh, and also being gift wrapped Tavares in free agency. There are so many things in life that make no sense and one of them is this narrative that Dubas is a brilliant young hockey mind.
With the Penguins on the other side of the hill than the Leafs, heading into a rebuild, it'll be an interesting test to see if Dubas can actually do something worthwhile.
Leaf Fans
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Sure, Pittsburgh went after him hard and convinced him to change his mind.What ever happened to the it's "Toronto" only or its no were??? That was relatively quick flip flop
As a leafs fan I actually really liked both. Maybe it’s time for a shake up and he could be replaced BUT like St Louis he can get the most out of his offence and he his system thrives off of creativity. If he hits the market I’m sure Keefe will go to Pittsburgh and I think he will do well.
Anyways from a leafs fan Dubas is a great add.
Not disagreeing with the bit about the sharks tho. BUT Tavares at 11 mil at the time was good.
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After this signing, I'm wondering if the breaking point in Toronto was Dubas telling Shanny he wants his job as well.
He found Bunting, Hyman, Durzi, Knies, Samsonov, Robertson and Campbell who were cheap and huge additions ( Durzi didn’t play ) also Trevor Moore. You got the Kappanen fleecing and Amirov unfortunately got cancer which isn’t dubas’s fault. The only things to argue against him was the Kadri trade, Murray trade, Mrazek Signing and his RFA signings. But you learn from your mistakes and he is YOUNG.
He’s not Yzerman but maybe he will be soon.
This..............................couldn't win with young core, and now trying to win, with an old core.....
Strange at best....
lawrence
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No...........he just didn't want to have to run things by Shanny.
Can't say I blame him....
The Madrigal
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Might be Yzerman.....come on bro, lol. The rest of your post which had some decent points becomes irrelevant with a comment like that. Either way this is a results based business and the Leafs barely got out of the first round of the playoffs during Dubas's tenure there.
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