Kucherov: biggest draft steal of all-time?

[Machinehead]

In 1979.

 

[Number 57]

This isn’t a serious comment, is it?

You simply cannot compare drafting in the 70's and 80's to today's. Sorry. Getting a Kucherov type in 2011 at the end of the 2nd round is astonishing.

 

[Ol' Jase]

That's not the trump card you think it is. Kucherov is likely to be above PPG for the next 3-4 years, maybe more. He will still end up better than Hull even if he regresses a little at the end of his career.

Your comparison of a second round pick to a sixth round pick isn’t the trump card you think it is.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Lidstrom was a third rounder, right?

The Wings also drafted Fedorov and Konstantinov that same year

 

[Number 57]

This isn’t a serious comment, is it?

Just the post under yours, the poster Brodeur wrote : Reading an Athletic article now and Ken Holland mentioned that NHL teams generally didn't have multiple scouts patrolling Europe back then.

You got made dirty dude.

 

[Romang67]

You almost need your own category of goalie draft steals.

Hasek, Roy, Lundqvist, Kiprusoff, Rinne was an 8th rounder, I mean even Brodeur was a late first and not the first goalie taken cause some team traded up to take Trevor Kidd instead.

Even just now, some of the top goalies:

Shesterkin was a 4th rounder, Sorokin was a 3rd rounder, Saros was a 4th rounder, Hellebuyck was a 5th rounder after going undrafted the first year he was eligible.

For skaters, it's probably Lidström. Top 5 D-man of all time, drafted in the 3rd round, never missed the playoffs from the moment he laced them up in the NHL.

 

[Ol' Jase]

You simply cannot compare drafting in the 70's and 80's to today's. Sorry. Getting a Kucherov type in 2011 at the end of the 2nd round is astonishing.

Please tell us why. Is it because scouting didn’t exist in the 1980’s?

 

[Number 57]

Please tell us why. Is it because scouting didn’t exist in the 1980’s?

Reading an Athletic article now and Ken Holland mentioned that NHL teams generally didn't have multiple scouts patrolling Europe back then.

 

[TheBeard]

I feel Kucherov's peak will be better than Z/Dats/Fedorov, but it's debateable. Those Wings draft steals are unbeliveable. Good point!

will be? Exactly how old do you think he is?

 

[TheAngryHank]

I'm sure he's up there, but if you want to argue for all-time draft steals, the Red Wings alone had these examples of pretty good players drafted low.

Sergei Federov: Round 4, #74
Niklas Lidstrom: Round 3, #53
Pavel Datsyuk: Round 6, #171
Henrik Zetterberg: Round 7, #210

Vladimir Konstantinov. #221

 

[Hammman]

In 1979.



That's not the trump card you think it is. Kucherov is likely to be above PPG for the next 3-4 years, maybe more. He will still end up better than Hull even if he regresses a little at the end of his career.

At the same age as Kucherov is now, Hull had scored at a 1.28 P/G rate, and a ridiculous 0.75 G/G.

 

[ghostingtaro]

pavel bure has entered the chat

 

[Ol' Jase]

Reading an Athletic article now and Ken Holland mentioned that NHL teams generally didn't have multiple scouts patrolling Europe back then.

Europeans were being scouted by NHL clubs in the early 1970’s.

 

[Paddys Pub]

Detroit has a couple that would be higher on that list.

 

[amnesiac]

But Kuch was a 2nd and Luc was a 9th. As far as draft steals go, which is what this thread is about, I think Luc - a HoFer in his own right - wins it.

well, Hasek was 10th round #199

 

[Ol' Jase]

And then there was a quirky rule about certain Europeans only being eligible to be taken in the first rounds of the draft. I believe that got removed for the 1992 Draft.

That’s just not true at all. Not saying you didn’t read it anywhere, but it’s a mistake.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Hasek and Datsyuk also zetterberg he might be having better career numbers than those guys but they were much later picks which factors into how much of a steal a pick is/was

Imo a guy in the second/third round that everyone knows about and didn’t go through a post-draft growth spurt or randomly turn bad skating into elite skating like Point is more of a steal than a Datsyuk or Parayko where they had completely unexpected improvement curves.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

Kucherov is currently 13th of all-time, Hull 33rd. How is that not far ahead?

You also cherry picked by rounding up/down. Kucherov is 1.194 and likely to be better by year's end since he's scoring at more than a ppg clip. Hull is 1.096. Get real.

Brett Hull after 735 games: 915pts or 1.24 PPG
Kucherov after 715 games: 855pts or 1.20 PPG

Brett Hull is actually slightly ahead but may have played in a higher-scoring environment. Not 100% sure.

 

[Brodeur]

That’s just not true at all. Not saying you didn’t read it anywhere, but it’s a mistake.

Nicklas Lidstrom: The Perfect Defenseman, The Perfect Teammate, The Perfect Human | Detroit Red Wings

Immortal Red Wings blueliner dominated the NHL with his all-around consistency and mistake-free game

www.nhl.com

“Everybody saw him a year before he got drafted and he went through the draft but the draft was only three rounds for (European) players like that,” Rockstrom said. “So, we saw him and he wasn’t one of the players picked in the top three rounds so the next year, he had made a lot of progress.”

From the 1992 THN Draft Preview: "No NHL team was willing to gamble on Lithuanian defenseman Darius Kasparaitis in the first three rounds of last year's draft."

From the 1990 THN Draft Preview:

That's why the Pavel Bure selection was contested in 1989. Most teams thought he was only eligible for the first three rounds. But the Canucks managed to dig up the box scores that proved that he had played enough games with the senior team, so they took him in the sixth round to the protests of other teams.

 

[Warden of the North]

Lidstrom and Datsyuk still ahead for me.

 

[BLNY]

well, Hasek was 10th round #199

An excellent choice.

 

[Pukboy5kroner]

Lidstrom?

 

[The Macho King]

Kucherov is better than Bure.

 

[BostonBob]

Kucherov is currently 13th of all-time, Hull 33rd. How is that not far ahead?

You also cherry picked by rounding up/down. Kucherov is 1.194 and likely to be better by year's end since he's scoring at more than a ppg clip. Hull is 1.096. Get real.

1.194 PPG
- 1.096 PPG
_____________
.098 PPG
x 82 games = 8.036 pts per season.....not exactly " far ahead ".

 

[shakes the clown]

Panarin wasn’t even drafted!