Value of: Kotkaniemi to PIT
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Jared Dunn
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I'd expect a swift and hard no from Carolina. They'll find a young team with cap space to give him away to for free/with a very digestible sweetener as a reclamation project or just buy him out, it's like 800k a year
WreckingCrew
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I'd rather keep KK and give him another year to see if he can find his game from the beginning of the season when he was red-hot...or buy him out before he turns 26. Jarry and Graves probably have negative value to us, especially with their M-NTCs and long over-priced contracts (unless you want to retain 50%)
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I get the idea of Pitt getting rid of a bad deal also but if you want KK so bad, just wait for him to be bought out and try to sign him.
Gurglesons
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There's just a lot less risk with the KK contract right now. Almost 5 million for Graves vs a contract they can still basically get out of if needed because of KK's age.
Nikishin Go Boom
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Pass on paying graves 4.5 million for another 5 years.
Even though kk is over paid, he is overpaid for a more valuable position and can be bought out for 1/3 price if need be. The cost of a 1/3 buyout and a mid range 3LD will be cheaper than graves at 4.5 million
Even though kk is over paid, he is overpaid for a more valuable position and can be bought out for 1/3 price if need be. The cost of a 1/3 buyout and a mid range 3LD will be cheaper than graves at 4.5 million
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I mean, yes and no. Both players are probably pretty even given overall performance relative to contract. Yeah, KK is younger but at some point there may be a "we need a dman more than KK" decision.
Both teams have a couple guys coming up that could easily over take the guy they just traded for but I also don't see KK being any more tradeable than Graves at the moment. I think that regard, age is a minor factor.
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Smith is fine as a 1 year take on for FC depending on what happens with Necas and Guentzel
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I thought the idea was for Canes to trade KK for no cap back or not much cap back so they can re-sign Jake? Like Pens did for Smith.
AhosDatsyukian
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We'll take Pono back if you want Koko. Not taking any $ back from the Pens.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Pens wouldn't do that. You're not getting rid of him this offseason for free.
Canes don't need Jarry, but Jarry had more value than KK.
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Jared Dunn
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I don't think there's any justification for that, the potential to get more out of KK than Graves is so much higher based on age alone. You're also really glazing over the stark differences in their buyouts, that's a HUGE factor considering both are ostensibly cap dumps
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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I tried to space it out so I wasn't addressing you, but 1000% agree.
I just meant in general, not to a specific team.
Isn't Jarry a great starter? They could do way better than Kotka for him
Shocker
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Canes will just buyout Kotkaniemi if they really want to get rid off him, they're definitely not paying or taking a terrible deal back to do that.
Zman5778
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Buffalo waves hello. Might be a really nice 3C for us. We'd even give you something for him. Need a RHD? We'll give you Jokiharju.
Would honestly take him on the Flames as a bounce back candidate. See what he can do over a couple years. Will be able to give him a lot more opportunity than Carolina. If he can be a ~35-40 point guy, $4.7m probably isn’t that bad given cap increases in a couple years. FC or a late round pick may be a worthwhile bet.
Cardiac Jerks
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If the canes want to move KK and can’t find a team looking to take him for free then they will just buy him out. His cap hit would be really low.
They’re not going to suddenly include their top prospects they’ve never been willing to move for this.
Buyout is the logical play here. Don’t see Canes retaining and / or adding a sweetener to dump when the buyout is cheaper.
