KLEFBOM is the REAL DEAL

[Mr Forever]

I really like Klefbom-Schultz as a pairing. Both of them have work to do, and would look great behind a legitimate top pair.

Nurse-???
Klefbom-Schultz
Marincin-Fayne

Is something I can see, not next season, but long term. The ??? Is huge, though. We can't go into next season without a legit top pairing guy.

 

[AlowlyMcOilersfan]

Kid has all the tools.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

The amount of underrating of Petry is astounding. Even in his crappy season he was by far and a large margin our best dman. When he's playing well there isn't a dman on this entire team that can hold his jockstrap.


He doesn't produce POINTS but he produces OFFENSE. When he's on the ice we score more and get scored on less and that's all that matters. He was fantastic at moving the puck despite the occasional gafs and not sure how you can say Klefbom is better defensively at all. He's not even close yet. Oh and just to add on, Petry when he's on and not coached by Eakins is a #3 and at minimum #4 on the vast majority of NHL teams. Klefbom has a long way to go before he's a #3/4.

However, MacT sold him for peanuts and is instead going to offer Schultz the 4m+ contract Petry should have received and Schultz isn't Petry now and I'd be surprised if he ever is. PP specialist bottom pairing is all I see atm.

 

[harpoon]

Petry was such a smooth skater with and without the puck, always had his head up. It's too bad but I only really started paying attention when I knew we were gonna lose him. Always liked the player though.

Good on you for admitting that. I get the feeling MacT did the same thing - and we all know he'd never admit it.

I think he was so focused on Schultz and keeping him happy because he chose Edmonton and fit in with Hall and the boys, that he never noticed how good Petry was until it was too late.

Look, people have mocked Gilbert on this board for years. I have no idea why, but they do. Yet look at Gilbert, still in the league, still playing big minutes, still a useful horse if used correctly. No one on this board can say that we wouldn't have been a better team with Gilbert all these years instead of train wrecks like NSchultz and Ference as our heavy minute guys.

I think Petry will have a better career than Tom Gilbert. And we'll still be dressing guys like Belov and Hunt and Osterle etc. Letting Petry slip away was a bad bad error on the part of MacT. Not to mention a waste of four years of development.

The only way I can console myself is that I'm pretty sure Petry wanted out of this gong show no matter what. He's going to get paid either way, why waste your career working for guys who haven't the faintest ****. Can't blame him at all.

 

[The Nuge]

Petry was such a smooth skater with and without the puck, always had his head up. It's too bad but I only really started paying attention when I knew we were gonna lose him. Always liked the player though.

He always flew under the radar. The times I noticed it most would be when he would pinch, and then we would cough up the puck, and he'd come flying back, and pass pretty much everyone

He actually could shoot it at 100 mph

He just lacks the offensive hockey sense to get in position to use it.

Ya, people seem to associate not shooting with can't shoot

No? He's faster than Petry. He's quicker than Petry. He isn't clumsy like Petry. The only reason people think Petry is a better skater because visually he looks like he has a smoother stride. But smooth as Petry might be, slower and clumsier he also is.

No... Petry was arguably the fastest skater on the team. His skating was on a completely different level from Klefa's

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Good on you for admitting that. I get the feeling MacT did the same thing - and we all know he'd never admit it.

I think he was so focused on Schultz and keeping him happy because he chose Edmonton and fit in with Hall and the boys, that he never noticed how good Petry was until it was too late.

Look, people have mocked Gilbert on this board for years. I have no idea why, but they do. Yet look at Gilbert, still in the league, still playing big minutes, still a useful horse if used correctly. No one on this board can say that we wouldn't have been a better team with Gilbert all these years instead of train wrecks like NSchultz and Ference as our heavy minute guys.

I think Petry will have a better career than Tom Gilbert. And we'll still be dressing guys like Belov and Hunt and Osterle etc. Letting Petry slip away was a bad bad error on the part of MacT. Not to mention a waste of four years of development.

The only way I can console myself is that I'm pretty sure Petry wanted out of this gong show no matter what. He's going to get paid either way, why waste your career working for guys who haven't the faintest ****. Can't blame him at all.

To be fair Belov didn't get much of a fair shake and seemingly got a similar treatment as Yak did, he just didn't take that **** and went back.

We'll never know if Belov could of been a diamond in the rough, it was a solid attempt at looking overseas imo.

 

[T-Funk]

He always flew under the radar. The times I noticed it most would be when he would pinch, and then we would cough up the puck, and he'd come flying back, and pass pretty much everyone



Ya, people seem to associate not shooting with can't shoot



No... Petry was arguably the fastest skater on the team. His skating was on a completely different level from Klefa's

Petry was arguably the fastest skater on the team? That's a pretty quick argument IMO.

 

[Mr Positive]

losing Petry was only a big deal because our D is terrible. When teams like Boston or Chicago have cap problems, he's the kind of player they easily walk away from. Replacing him won't be like how we were stabbing in the dark for first line players years past. The trick is going out and doing it. It shouldn't be that hard a task and considering all the screwups MacT has made he should be pretty aggressive in starting to reverse the tide of hate against him. Because really, I do like MacT but everyone can see that Klefbom-Schultz are great players but not ready to be a top pairing every night.

 

[The Nuge]

losing Petry was only a big deal because our D is terrible. When teams like Boston or Chicago have cap problems, he's the kind of player they easily walk away from. Replacing him won't be like how we were stabbing in the dark for first line players years past. The trick is going out and doing it. It shouldn't be that hard a task and considering all the screwups MacT has made he should be pretty aggressive in starting to reverse the tide of hate against him. Because really, I do like MacT but everyone can see that Klefbom-Schultz are great players but not ready to be a top pairing every night.

Losing Petry IS a big deal. Any time you lose a young, top 4 dman, you've screwed up. And the fact Habs fans are hoping they can lock him up long term at 5 million per should be all that needs to be said. We ****ed up badly

 

[T-Funk]

Losing Petry IS a big deal. Any time you lose a young, top 4 dman, you've screwed up. And the fact Habs fans are hoping they can lock him up long term at 5 million per should be all that needs to be said. We ****ed up badly

We played him as a top pairing D hoping he would eventually grow into the role. Unfortunately he never went past a top 4 D on a **** team, but expects to be paid for the bigger role. I don't blame him, but I am pleased Petry and Gilbert can go play soft and give the puck away somewhere else.

 

[Throttlehead]

We played him as a top pairing D hoping he would eventually grow into the role. Unfortunately he never went past a top 4 D on a **** team, but expects to be paid for the bigger role. I don't blame him, but I am pleased Petry and Gilbert can go play soft and give the puck away somewhere else.

We played him as a top pairing dman because we had no choice, that was a failure by the management. I would say any top 4 dman is going to the 4+ mil a year, we should have signed and kept him.

 

[Mowzie]

Calling it now. This guy is better right now than Petry has EVER been for us. And he will continue to get better until he at least a top pairing D.

Think about it:
He never makes egregious give-aways like Petry is prone to do once every 3 games.
He can get shots on net MUCH better than Petry.
He can skate as well as Petry, if not better.
His slapshot is way more accurate and controlled than Petry.
He can rush the offensive zone as well as Petry.
He can win board battles as well as Petry.
He's better offensively than Petry, Petry sits @ 0.2 PPG and Klefbom is at 0.3 PPG

Anyone else excited for this guys development?

It's unfortunate that Edmonton' depth allergy keeps them from having more than one effective defenseman on the team to the same time. How much better does this team get to wherever the hell it's trying to go, if we keep Petry and avoid Nikitin?

Swap out Ference for Boychuk since we're dreaming...

Klefbom-Boychuk
Fayne-Schultz
Marincin/Nurse-Petry

 

[Summary]

I watch every game. He is better defensively than Petry.

I know many Oilers fans want to play it safe and say MAYBE he'll be better one day. I'm saying he already is better.

This makes NO sense. How on earth is it "playing it safe"? We're not trying to save ourselves from disappointment, the fact simply is that right now Petry is the better defenceman. If your belief helps you fan harder for Klefbom then have at it, obviously your delusion is self suffient regardless of who agrees. Further you don't seem to care about reality, just perception, so keep it to yourself and have fun. But don't think that you can convince others or that it will affect the real world if you do.

Is also STILL a COMPLETELY moot point to compare the 2 players anymore.

 

[Summary]

losing Petry was only a big deal because our D is terrible. When teams like Boston or Chicago have cap problems, he's the kind of player they easily walk away from. Replacing him won't be like how we were stabbing in the dark for first line players years past. The trick is going out and doing it. It shouldn't be that hard a task and considering all the screwups MacT has made he should be pretty aggressive in starting to reverse the tide of hate against him. Because really, I do like MacT but everyone can see that Klefbom-Schultz are great players but not ready to be a top pairing every night.

Would you be saying that if we gave away Eberle for a very poor return? Since we have plenty of offensive forwards it shouldn't be a big deal right?

Anytime you lose a solid roster player for a fraction of their worth it's bad. You need those to be a good team.

 

[Summary]

Good on you for admitting that. I get the feeling MacT did the same thing - and we all know he'd never admit it.

I think he was so focused on Schultz and keeping him happy because he chose Edmonton and fit in with Hall and the boys, that he never noticed how good Petry was until it was too late.

Look, people have mocked Gilbert on this board for years. I have no idea why, but they do. Yet look at Gilbert, still in the league, still playing big minutes, still a useful horse if used correctly. No one on this board can say that we wouldn't have been a better team with Gilbert all these years instead of train wrecks like NSchultz and Ference as our heavy minute guys.

I think Petry will have a better career than Tom Gilbert. And we'll still be dressing guys like Belov and Hunt and Osterle etc. Letting Petry slip away was a bad bad error on the part of MacT. Not to mention a waste of four years of development.

The only way I can console myself is that I'm pretty sure Petry wanted out of this gong show no matter what. He's going to get paid either way, why waste your career working for guys who haven't the faintest ****. Can't blame him at all.

I've always liked Petry as a player, unfortunately I'm betting I've also had a better handle of his value than LoweT. But recently was payong more attention to HOW he plays and was really impressed. But ya, even the Gilbert thing still stings cause the reasoning was sooo flawed. I can't believe we're STILL seeing the same mistakes of perceiving a need to "make room" for a younger player.

 

[bucks_oil]

We played him as a top pairing D hoping he would eventually grow into the role. Unfortunately he never went past a top 4 D on a **** team, but expects to be paid for the bigger role. I don't blame him, but I am pleased Petry and Gilbert can go play soft and give the puck away somewhere else.

I'm with you. There is no point in paying a top-4 dman top pairing dollars when you still have to go out and overpay to get a real top pairing dman. It doesn't make sense to have 12M locked up in two defensemen, only one of whom is a legit top pairing guy.... not with all of our 'maturing' $6M forwards.

 

[Supermassive]

Oscar "The Real Deal" Klefbom.

Get your Klefamania t-shirts here!

 

[Samus44]

To be fair Belov didn't get much of a fair shake and seemingly got a similar treatment as Yak did, he just didn't take that **** and went back.

We'll never know if Belov could of been a diamond in the rough, it was a solid attempt at looking overseas imo.

Belov looked good early... but we'll never know how things would of panned out minus the Eakins effect. Correlation doesn't always equal causation but the play of numerous players had seemingly regressed from Krueger's time and then improved leaps and bounds under Nelson.

I certainly don't think MacTavish has been perfect by any means, but one of the good things he's done is look overseas and at college free agents to add prospect depth with potential. No point in pretending there hasn't been some good in his reign although Bob Green probably had a very strong influence on the majority of these signings.

 

[harpoon]

We played him as a top pairing D hoping he would eventually grow into the role. Unfortunately he never went past a top 4 D on a **** team, but expects to be paid for the bigger role. I don't blame him, but I am pleased Petry and Gilbert can go play soft and give the puck away somewhere else.

Soft. lmao. This whole team is so soft it makes Charmin' look heavy duty. I could make a list twenty names long of all the soft defencemen the Oilers have dressed since we shipped out Gilbert. But yeah, lets selectively get rid of the guy who can make plays and skate more than three feet with the puck. Can never have too many "warriors" on d

As for giveaways - well that's going to happen when you are the only man on the team capable of making a breakout pass or skating the puck out - so your d-partner (read pylon like Ference) passes the puck to you without fail so that you have to start every single rush. A guy in that position is probably going to have some giveaways.

 

[Mr Positive]

Would you be saying that if we gave away Eberle for a very poor return? Since we have plenty of offensive forwards it shouldn't be a big deal right?

Anytime you lose a solid roster player for a fraction of their worth it's bad. You need those to be a good team.

no I wouldn't have a similar reaction to losing Eberle, because Eberle is a great forward by any standard in the league, and not just the standard of our team. And we got a decent return for Petry so I don't think it's the same thing to compare there.

I'm not saying that losing Petry was meaningless. It's just that I think the reaction to losing him is overboard. It's a very similar reaction that happened when Nashville lost Suter. My point is that it's overboard to think of Petry as the one that got away. He was a solid D but very replaceable

 

[Aerchon]

I find it so strange that people bring up Gilbert.

I've always liked Petry and hoped he would meet his potential and it sorta looked like he did that this last year, but I can't ignore the rest of his career and assume he won't revert back to his bad habits.

However, I can say one thing for sure when it comes to Petry. He is MUCH better than Gilbert.

Better defensively even with his occasional turnovers. Better in the corners. Plus every bit as good offensively... which really isn't saying much.

Gilbert almost did not get another NHL contract after Minny, and owes Brain Campbell a big thank you for his last contract with the Habs, and ironically enough has been pushed down the line-up by Petry.

Petry replaced Gilbert and now Schultz replaces Petry, which at the moment certainly doesn't look good but maybe Schultz takes a big step and prove Mac T right about something for a change.

Big, unlikely, IF... But if Petry can turn it around like he seemed to this year there is certainly hope Schultz can as well.

 

[AM]

Soft. lmao. This whole team is so soft it makes Charmin' look heavy duty. I could make a list twenty names long of all the soft defencemen the Oilers have dressed since we shipped out Gilbert. But yeah, lets selectively get rid of the guy who can make plays and skate more than three feet with the puck. Can never have too many "warriors" on d

As for giveaways - well that's going to happen when you are the only man on the team capable of making a breakout pass or skating the puck out - so your d-partner (read pylon like Ference) passes the puck to you without fail so that you have to start every single rush. A guy in that position is probably going to have some giveaways.

The above could be written by Petry.

Petry has all of the tools he just uses one degree of challenge too much in each play.

 

[Master Lok]

I watch every game. He is better defensively than Petry.

I know many Oilers fans want to play it safe and say MAYBE he'll be better one day. I'm saying he already is better.

Bwahahaha, then clearly you're a fanboy over the young Oilers or you don't watch the game with any cold, rational assessment.

Hilarious that you can suggest that Klefbom is better defensively than Petry... when his responsibilities are much less than Petrys. Klefbom has been given the second most offensive zone starts of any oiler defender (next to Justin "Norris" Schultz) while Petry has traditionally been sunk with most defensive zone starts.

If Klefbom is sooooo awesome defensively, you would think then that the Oilers would put him out there in the most taxing of defensive situations, namely penalty killing. Where does Klefbom penalty killing minutes rank?

 

[Man Purse]

I think Klefbom will be a real fine player someday, I like his confidence and his ability to bounce back from adversity.

Now let's apply some typical good ole HFBoard's YEG Petry hate rationale to the discussion..

Klefbom is SOFT! and his +/- SUCKS!!!!

 

[missinthejets]

He was a solid D but very replaceable

So how come then, if he is so replaceable the team hasn't been able to bring in anyone as good as he was for years?

The fact is that Edmonton lost their best defenseman BEFORE they had a replacement for him. That always makes your team worse.