Proposal: Karlsson for less if...

[barilko05]

Could we get Erik Karlsson for a less than premium price if we also offered to take on Bobby Ryan's contract?

I understand there are major issues:

1) Same division
2) Provincial rival
3) Cap
4) Being able to resign EK
5) Cap
5) Ryan's contract is 4 years.
6) CAP!

But is Melnyk in desperate enough financial shape that he would instruct his management team to accept a less than optimum deal on EK just to get rid of the Ryan?

How badly would it hamstring our cap if we had to pay both for the next 2 to 4 years?

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[Ziggdiezan]

Could we get Erik Karlsson for a less than premium price if we also offered to take on Bobby Ryan's contract?

I understand there are major issues:

1) Same division
2) Provincial rival
3) Cap
4) Being able to resign EK
5) Cap
5) Ryan's contract is 4 years.
6) CAP!

But is Melnyk in desperate enough financial shape that he would instruct his management team to accept a less than optimum deal on EK just to get rid of the Ryan?

How badly would it hamstring our cap if we had to pay both for the next 2 to 4 years?

Why not just wait a year and try to sign him as a UFA without taking on a horrible huge contract that would make keeping Nylander, Matthews, Marner and Karlsson impossible.

 

[barilko05]

My thinking is that if Melnyk is really hurting for cash, he may want to get rid of him now rather than later. If that's the case, EK may not even make it to UFA. The team he gets traded to (which may not necessarily be us) will undoubtedly try to re-up him ASAP.

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

Ottawa isn’t trading their best player to Toronto. Pipe dream.

 

[drewjenks]

"Karlsson for less if..."

...we kidnap his mom & force him to negotiate with terrorists.

"Karlsson for less if..."

...Melnyk holds another press conference.

"Karlsson for less if..."

...we relocate the Leafs to Sweden.

"Karlsson for less if..."

...Dubas winks at just the right angle.

"Karlsson for less if..."

...Doughty says no.

"Karlsson for less if..."

...we're not Ottawa.

"Karlsson for less if..."

...less is more.

"Karlsson for less if..."

...we sign Methot first.

 

[Drytoast]

Ek has had sever surgey on his ankle and im not sure hes top teir anymore.
He certainly didnt look it

 

[Mitch nylander]

"Karlsson for less if..."

...Doughty says no.

"Karlsson for less if..."

...we kidnap his mom & force him to negotiate with terrorists.

"Karlsson for less if..."

...we relocate the Leafs to Sweden.

Truly lol'd at these. Respect.

 

[Buds17]

It's definitely a lot of cap for any one team to take on. Would have to involve Ottawa's willingness to retain or accept cap back, or a third team to trade Ryan to. Trade protection to consider as well with both players. Not sure ultimately how serious Ottawa is about trading Karlsson and/or involving Ryan's contract in that if so. The answers to those questions will determine how serious a bidder we could be. Seems like a longshot, but I'd expect due diligence to be done if there's any chance or interest.

 

[Cleetus]

Ek has had sever surgey on his ankle and im not sure hes top teir anymore.
He certainly didnt look it

I agree I think its a big risk to who ever is thinking about acquiring him.

 

[cannucky]

There's a big difference between "needing money" and not wanting to piss away cash for an unappreciative fanbase .They act like he wants to ice a shyte team and crap on him when he goes out and buys the big ticket players his management team say will turn things around .I still believe the Sens are on their way somewhere else and looking for a clean slate cap wise .

 

[drewjenks]

Who...Karlsson...or Meynyk? Maybe both? Would they be construed as tampering...or cap circumvention?
Thank You! Goodnight!

I'm sure they'd handle it under the table - since it's a delicate situation.

But if we got caught it'd be tough to swallow & it'd leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Regardless - it's a sloppy negotiation tactic - even if they pulled it off....

Good luck.....

 

[Drytoast]

Vegas is showing us that we really don't need a Karlsson.

Or a Crosby

Or Ovechkin

Or any f***ing superstar.

We need a team with no ego ready to buy in to the coaches system and do everything night in night out that it takes to win hockey games.

That's what we need.

 

[TakeTheBody]

No interest. Look elsewhere.

 

[Stand Witness]

I think its basically been confirmed that they will undersell EK to also sell Ryan.

I also think that it would be a mistake for us to make the move. Obviously, I have faith in the Leafs management team to know how to allocate cap space (I believe we have the best office in the league for this) so if they think it can be done then I will believe them.

 

[Gary Nylund]

We need a team with no ego ready to buy in to the coaches system and do everything night in night out that it takes to win hockey games.

I imagine there's 29 GM's watching Vegas thinking exactly the same thing.

 

[Iapyi]

We need a couple good strong defensive dmen. E Karlsson is about the last thing this team needs. He is defensively inept and scoring is not our problem.

 

[Drytoast]

I imagine there's 29 GM's watching Vegas thinking exactly the same thing.

How can ya not have ego when you make 10* more than the coach does usually? And know damn well that the coach goes before you go.

And for at least this year and this moment, ya have an entire team with no ego on the same level and likely no "clicks" in the dressing room.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Could we get Erik Karlsson for a less than premium price if we also offered to take on Bobby Ryan's contract?


How badly would it hamstring our cap if we had to pay both for the next 2 to 4 years?

Leafs can't afford having Ryan's cap, never mind having having any chance of signing Karlsson. It's grade 1 math, you don't need a cap specialist to compute the futility of a the trade.

Ottawa fans are going to very disappointed that Ryan is going to remain a 7.25m Sen, and that the return to for EK is going to be lot less than 95% of the posts seen on this site.

 

[Hockey Talker29]

You could make a deal to have a cap floor team take Ryan. I don't think it would be that difficult. Ryan isn't a bad player. If a team could afford the cap hit, adding an incentive may be enough.

I disagree that Ottawa won't trade him here. There's not too many options, especially if Karlsson puts Vegas on his no-trade list. Almost all of the teams that will be suitors will be in the East (Toronto, Buffalo, Boston, Philadelphia, Rangers, etc.), and most of them are in Ottawa's division. You'll never be able to get a defenseman of this calibre for less. I want Dubas all-in on this.

 

[BM14]

No thanks.

 

[phillipmike]

Id do it if we can send him to Robidas Island.

 

[nsleaf]

Vegas is showing us that we really don't need a Karlsson.

Or a Crosby

Or Ovechkin

Or any ****ing superstar.

We need a team with no ego ready to buy in to the coaches system and do everything night in night out that it takes to win hockey games.

That's what we need.

No such thing in TO. The most humble player in the league would likely develop and inflated view of himself given the hype and attention that exists.

 

[Drytoast]

No such thing in TO. The most humble player in the league would likely develop and inflated view of himself given the hype and attention that exists.

well...yeah...

 

[Martin Skoula]

Let's see if Vegas can pull a Vegas next year first. I can't imagine the guys on that team are going to keep having no egos after a cup finals with new contracts needed to be signed.

 

[thunder16]

Ottawa isn’t trading their best player to Toronto. Pipe dream.

More like a nightmare for the Leafs!!!