Juniors/NCAA = terrible, NHL = surprisingly good

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  1. ShawnTHW

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    What players that any of you can recall didnt put up great numbers in juniors/NCAA, but ended up being a great player at the NHL?
     
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    Mike Green never scored more than 14 goals in a WHL season and had 18 as an NHL rookie.
     
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    Kris Versteeg? IIRC he was a pretty average junior player.
     
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    That's false but I know what you mean. You never thought he'd be a ppg defenseman.
     
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    David Booth.
     
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    Season 	Team 	        Lge 	        GP 	A 	PIM 	Min 	        GA 	EN 	SO 	GAA 	W 	L 	T 	Svs 	Pct 	GP 	A 	PIM
    1982-83 	Granby Bisons 	QMJHL 	54 	0 	14 	2808 	293 	3 	0 	6.26 	13 	35 	1 			-	-	-
    1983-84 	Granby Bisons 	QMJHL 	61 	6 	15 	3585 	265 	4 	0 	4.44 						4 	0 	0
    1984-85 	Granby Bisons 	QMJHL 	44 	2 	74 	2463 	228 	3 	0 	5.55 	16 	25 	1 			-	-	-
    These are Patrick Roy stats in the Q. But I don't know if they are seen as "bad stats" since I think there was a lot of goals scored back in the time. But I just came over that and I looked kinda surprised after all. Also, his team seemed to suck when looking at the stats.
    (After some maths, I found it that in 82-83, teams scored an average of 5.4 goals per game. :amazed: I think it explains a lot)
     
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  7. ShawnTHW

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    My god. No seasons in the Q of under 4 GAA. Dont think you could've expected Roy to turn into one of the best goalies of all time with those numbers. Especially how frequently he played. But then again, 5.4 goals is a lot to let up on average.
     
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    Kesler? He played one year at school but didn't really set the world on fire. Now he's looking like a 40 goal scorer
     
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    Exactly. Maybe the poster boy for this thread. Honorable mentions should go to O'Donnell and Aucoin.
     
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    Not a great example but Travis Moen kind of fits the bill. Has an NHL season with more goals (11) than any one of his junior seasons (10 is highest). Has carved out a pretty good NHL career.
     
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    Steve Kampfer has more goals this season as an NHL rookie than he had in any of his four seasons as Michigan.

    David Moss was a good player but not an offensive force by any stretch. He is probably going to end up with his second 20 goal season in three years this year.
     
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    For St. Cloud State, Ryan Malone finished 4th in team scoring his senior year. He finished 3rd in team scoring in his rookie NHL season.
     
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    I wouldn't quite say he was terrible in juniors, but Shea Weber's NHL production far exceeds his best work in the WHL.
     
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    Alex Burrows, he only had one good/decent season in the QMJHL and that was, I believe, as an overager
     
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    Chris Stewart. His numbers were a bit underwhelming in junior. His best season in Kingston was 87 points in 62 games....he even took a step back from that in his final season in junior. He never did anything spectacular in the AHL either. I never really thought he would become the player he is today.
     
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    87 points in 67 games is TERRIBLE? Wow. Even if that was done in the BCHL, I would not call it being TERRIBLE in juniors.
     
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    Stepan was never a scorer in the NCAA (though I always maintained he had a hell of a shot), yet is tearing it up in the NHL with 18 goals already. He almost has more goals than he's had in two years in the NCAA (21 goals over two years).
     
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    Sorry, he doesn't belong.
     
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    Dan Girardi
     
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    He didn't play in North America when he was young but Johan Franzen sure didn't have very impressive stats (aside from the extremely low level Div 3 games he played as a teen) before getting to the NHL.
     
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    Tons of junior players put up those kinds of numbers every year, but not many become stars in the NHL. His numbers weren't terrible, I just never thought he would be as good as he is. Mike Green and Shea Weber didn't have terrible stats in junior either.
     
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    Yeah, that's a REALLY good example.

    A guy who was never thought of as anything special and who began his career in the ECHL, even. His game has sort of stayed the same, but he's just been so effective at every level. I guess most thought it would never translate.
     
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    Mike Lundin

    Never really stood out through 4 years in college. Came into Lightning camp in 07-08 and after being expected to start in AHL/ECHL and long term being a potential bottom pairing dman. He then suprised and made the team out of camp playing great positional D.

    4 seasons later he is our number 3 dman and capable of 20 minutes a night in all situations. One of only a very few decent picks Tampa had between 1999 and 2007.
     

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