"Jultz" Love It or Hate it!

[LTIR]

He has no leverage to command more money.. Qualify him and stick to that amount. Unless he wants out of EDM and make 2.5M on a better team he will accept the offer. If he goes to arbitration he will make a lot less.. and if he waits for an offersheet the amount wouldnt be over 3M and will get matched by Oilers.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

There's no doubt in my mind that Schultz would be better on a different team that actually has some structure.

But hey, let's toss another defenseman away, not like we need him or anything.

Why exactly is he getting so much freaking ice-time though? Him and Klefbom should not be leading the defense in ice-time.

 

[s7ark]

Obviously they should re-sign him. He can play at the NHL level which the team desperately needs. Losing Petry and Schultz from already the worst D in the league is just going to lock down 30th next season by November.

I thought the poll was going to be about calling him Jultz. Which I hate

 

[oXo Cube]

Schultz and Klefbom play as much as they do because Nelson is trying to win and that's what gives him the best chance of doing that.

...and that's sad. Very sad.

On topic, we would be nuts to give up on this guy right now. His extension will be short, cap hit won't matter because we won't be good next year anyway, and moving him right now would net a return in the range of nothing.

 

[McGoMcD]

you sign Schultz for sure, at least give him a one year deal. I have faith, he has grown as a player and shows signs of getting much better. He just needs some stability and a D partner like Klef.

 

[Master Lok]

Schultz and Klefbom play as much as they do because Nelson is trying to win and that's what gives him the best chance of doing that.

Not quite right. Klefbom and Schultz gives the Oilers the best chance to score, not necessarily to win.

If the Oilers scored first and was trying to hold onto the lead, then Schultz should see less ice time.

Unfortunately, that's a rare circumstance as they are usually trying to catch up.

Klefbom and Schultz should be a third pairing on most teams. Unfortunately, on the Oilers they are first pairing. Its not just the goaltending folks. Its the lousy defense.

 

[gqmixmaster]

Jultz is an average #5dman, he shouldn't get any more than 3.5-4 just because MacT sees upside.

 

[Speedshank]

I messed up on Jultz's contract, I thought it was $3.9..... not $3.6... Should have looked it up first before making the post. I also believed that 10% offer was required regardless of salary. I still don't see Justin accepting anything bellow $4M.

I can't argue that we lack the depth on the right hand side. All things considered Jultz does not bring the needed offence to come even close to making up for what he lacks on the defensive side. He is with no question an AHL level defenceman when he doesn't have the puck and slightly above average NHL defenceman with the puck.

He's not worth the money to keep around and he doesn't have the tenacity to battle for the puck that is now needed to play D in this league!

 

[Aerchon]

I put no and good riddance but only because there wasn't a third option of sign him cheap and be ready to dump him if he does not improve dramatically.

Last game is a perfect example.

Scriven's didn't play well but the scoring chances against him were grade A and the biggest culprit was Schultz. -3 on the day and could have been a lot worse with how he played.

Schultz had great potential but at this point anyone with half a brain has to have figured out he is not going to reach it. His hockey IQ is weak in general, more so defensively than offensively but even offensively he does not have the ability to impact the NHL as we had hoped he would.

Schultz is not a good enough skater to even be remotely considered a potential #1 and that is not likely to ever improve enough now.

His defensive awareness is abysmal.

He has no point shot.

He is too slim/weak to handle the Western Conference period.

He is still our best "offensive defenseman" but on a playoff team he would be a bottom pairing PP specialist, and only in a three forward type of PP. He does not have the speed/IQ to cover both points.

You can't sign someone and just hope he improves by THAT much. He is not worth the money he is making now and ANY contract he signs with the Oilers will be almost impossible for him to live up to.

 

[McGoMcD]

Jultz is an average #5dman, he shouldn't get any more than 3.5-4 just because MacT sees upside.

He is better than that. He, on a good team would be like Tory Krug. Play sheltered minues as a bottom pairing D man but add extra value on the powerplay. Basically 5 on 5 Schultz is only a 5 type D man, but he should be get extra credit for being a power play D man. He will get paid, and shoudl get paid, more in line with a 3-4 D man.

 

[rasarhdasd]

I'd rather give his minutes to one of the U of A Golden Bears than overpay him. He doesn't even kill the soft minutes he receives.

 

[Approved Variety]

That depends, are we talking about Norris candidate top pairing Justin Schultz who plays 25 minutes a night, or are we talking about 3rd pairing PP specialist Justin Schultz who plays 15-18 minutes a night max, including PP time?

I'll sign the latter for 3.8M and play him in the role he's suited for, and let the former gallop off into space like a stargazing antelope.

 

[Tyrolean]

I hope they trade him if after another year he does not improve.

 

[Pressure]

I voted NO...but I meant there was no option to Sign him and then deal him right away.

He belongs on a team with a real defensive defenceman. He's too much of a liability to be with anyone not experienced.

The guy is BRUTAL. Hopefully he could be traded for something solid.

 

[Pressure]

I said yes because he is the best defenseman on the team and we are already depleted as it is

What the actual ****? seriously? Do you even watch Oilers hockey? How on earth can anyone claim he's been our best defenceman?

 

[Mcnofool6110]

D points:
Schultz at 25
Klefbom at 13
Ference at 11.

Unfortunately, he's by and by our best offensive dman.

 

[Approved Variety]

D points:
Schultz at 25
Klefbom at 13
Ference at 11.

Unfortunately, he's by and by our best offensive dman.

And he'd get just as many points playing 3rd pairing minutes, because he's a PP specialist. But playing 25 minutes against tough competition is brutal.

When Nelson put Schultz with Klefbom to start, while Petry and Nikitin were still in, those of us watching were actually admitting that Schultz was doing well. Why? Weaker competition. Without Petry, and yes- even Nikitin- he's being exposed like crazy. Which can't be good for Klefbom's confidence either. Both in his and his pairing's play.

 

[Pressure]

D points:
Schultz at 25
Klefbom at 13
Ference at 11.

Unfortunately, he's by and by our best offensive dman.

ok....also....

- Leads the team for TIME ON ICE~ 3 mins more than the next defenceman (Ference)
- Leads the team in Powerplay time on ice ~ 188:32 (2:48 mins/game)
- TRIPLE the amount of powerplay time to the next defenceman (Petry, 68:23)
- LEAST amount of Penalty Kill amongst ALL defenceman at 22:58 (20 secs/game)in 67 games

Let's not even talk about soft and weak zone starts.

This kid BETTER BE producing given those numbers. You can't even COMPARE his "production" with the other defenceman we have. Give those soft minutes to anyone else and I'm sure they could produce just as well.

 

[Approved Variety]

ok....also....

- Leads the team for TIME ON ICE~ 3 mins more than the next defenceman (Ference)
- Leads the team in Powerplay time on ice ~ 188:32 (2:48 mins/game)
- TRIPLE the amount of powerplay time to the next defenceman (Petry, 68:23)
- LEAST amount of Penalty Kill amongst ALL defenceman at 22:58 (20 secs/game)in 67 games

Let's not even talk about soft and weak zone starts.

This kid BETTER BE producing given those numbers. You can't even COMPARE his "production" with the other defenceman we have. Give those soft minutes to anyone else and I'm sure they could produce just as well.

You had me until the final sentence.

Mark Fayne playing the same minutes still wouldn't have those points. Neither would Marincin or Ference. Schultz is only a terrible player when you misuse him.

He's a PP specialist on a mediocre to poor PP, on one of the worst teams in franchise history. Then, he also plays ridiculous 5 on 5 minutes.

If he was playing 3rd pairing minutes with a LH version of Fayne, and played the exact same PP time or more than currently... and was making 2.8M/yr...and MacT left him out of "core" talks and never mentioned Norris potential... we'd LOVE him.

 

[McDNicks17]

Schultz is a PP specialist who really isn't even good on the PP.

He has the 78th ranked points/60 for defenseman on the PP.

With his muffin of a slap shot, he probably won't ever be much of a factor there.

 

[Pressure]

Hence my point about Schultz. The guy is gift wrapped soft minutes and can't produce. He's on pace for what, 30 points while leading the team in the most offensive situations possible?

Sheldon Souray came into the league a shut down defenceman, he turned into an offensive bomber. Who knows what we have until they're in that position to just play offense.

 

[IrishDart]

ok....also....

- Leads the team for TIME ON ICE~ 3 mins more than the next defenceman (Ference)
- Leads the team in Powerplay time on ice ~ 188:32 (2:48 mins/game)
- TRIPLE the amount of powerplay time to the next defenceman (Petry, 68:23)
- LEAST amount of Penalty Kill amongst ALL defenceman at 22:58 (20 secs/game)in 67 games

Let's not even talk about soft and weak zone starts.

This kid BETTER BE producing given those numbers. You can't even COMPARE his "production" with the other defenceman we have. Give those soft minutes to anyone else and I'm sure they could produce just as well.

Thank you for pointing this out. It really frustrates me when people claim he's great offensively.

He's a liability. Plain and simple. He wouldn't know the defensive zone if someone smacked him over the head with it, and his offense has tapered off since his rookie season.

He gets as much sheltered zone starts as they can throw at him, and that's so Management can say "see? He's doing great!" Just like Hall, Nuge, Eberle.. they love to coddle their core kids and manipulate the games to give them the best chance to look like they're not busts.

But make no mistake. Schultz is not a good defenseman.

I voted Let him walk away.

 

[Mr Positive]

seems to very much mirror the logic for why we just have to get rid of Dubnyk. Move Schultz and watch him do really well elsewhere, and meanwhile our ability to move the puck just got a lot worse.

 

[Approved Variety]

Schultz is a PP specialist who really isn't even good on the PP.

He has the 78th ranked points/60 for defenseman on the PP.

With his muffin of a slap shot, he probably won't ever be much of a factor there.

Your PP quarterback isn't always the guy with the bomb, and under Eakins our PP was atrocious. It's been better since Nelson.

When Schultz isn't being played top minutes, against top competition, he plays better and puts up more points.

I'd wager money that if Schultz was playing 3rd pairing minutes, and playing the same or more PP time, he'd have even more points, and our PP would be improved.

The worst part about Justin Schultz is MacT. And I don't blame Nelson for playing Schultz the way he does.

What would you do as a coach to prove to your boss that he's wrong about a kid? You do exactly what your boss thinks the kid is capable of. He won't admit he was wrong, but after repeated failure, you may get the green light to play him where you think he should be playing.

Not only that, but right now our options are pretty damned limited.

I'll just reiterate, it's not Justin's fault that he is not what MacT tells us he is. MacT is who the anger about Schultz should be focused at, not the kid himself. If he was played properly, we'd love what he offers.

 

[McDNicks17]

I'm not saying throw him away, but if you're paying him for his offensive contributions(which you would be since has no value defensively), you shouldn't be paying much.

He's 90th in EVP/60 for defensemen. That's with being on the ice for 45% of the Oilers' offensive zone draws(8th highest in the league).

Statistically speaking, he'd be the second best defenseman on the #2PP unit and fourth best even strength offensive defenseman on most teams in the league. There's a handful of players who were picked up off waivers and being paid close to league minimum that fit that criteria in the league right now.