Music: Judas Priest, Tom Waits, and R'n'RHOF

[Sentinel]

Can somebody explain to me how is Judas Priest not in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame, but Tom Waits is? I love Tom Waits and own his entire discography, but his albums never went gold, not even once, and Judas Priest has six gold and four platinum albums in USA alone. They started about the same time (mid-70s) and both have several Grammy nominations. Not many people can name even one Tom Waits song, while very few people over the age of 30 have not heard "Breaking the Law" or "Another Thing Coming." So in popularity and commercial success Priest has Waits squarely beaten. Their impact in the relevant genres is comparable and long-lasting. Why?

Notice how I didn't even bring the question whether Waits is "rock'n'roll" at all. RnRHOF has so many non-rock'n'roll artists, that point is moot now.

Also, oddly enough, Waits made the list of Rolling Stones "Top 100 Vocalists of All Time" and Rob Halford didn't. Which is, of course, ridiculous.

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[Porn*]

The HOF is a joke...

how did it take Rush so long to get accepted?

 

[Roo Returns]

It's all very political and subjective You gotta remember that squares are voting on these things to, like out of touch music journalists and millionaires who probably think Rock N' Roll is cute and applaud when little Billy plays a power chord on his guitar in a school musical. Example: when I was in HS that Class of 99 band covered Another Brick In The Wall Part II and you had all these drama kids and popular kids who were about as Rock N Roll as Bill Gates singing "Hey, Teacher, Leave Those Kids Alone!"

I love Waits as much as anyone but remember he has many friends in Hollywood, and is also American. Priest has the "Satanic" and "Evil Metal" vibe even though their songs are not about it, and also you know I'd venture to say there's some discrimination against Mr. Halford for obvious reasons which is ridiculous.

 

[Behn Wilson]

Also, oddly enough, Waits made the list of Rolling Stones "Top 100 Vocalists of All Time" and Rob Halford didn't. Which is, of course, ridiculous.

Which makes complete sense because the HOF is pretty much Rolling Stone's Magazines HOF, not the Rock & Roll hall of Fame.

It was put together by Jan Wenner and has been nothing but his personal choices like neighor Randy Newman, give me a break on him. Short People & Disney Tunes.

And if Wenner didn't like the band they did not get in. Thus the glaring list of omissions. The last 2 years he has stepped back and thus the avalanche of deserving bands the last 2 years. Wenner has chosen to spend his time with his significant other so since they finally addressed the Chicago, Deep Purples, etc maybe now they can next let the metal bands in like Maiden, Priest, etc as well as hard rockers like UFO and Thin Lizzy.

Id rather just ignore this hall and some one else open a legitimate HOF, this is nothing but a collection of Rolling Stone Magazines editiorial staffs favorites. And Rolling Stone is an outdated pretentious out of touch piece of trash of a mag.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Can somebody explain to me how is Judas Priest not in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame, but Tom Waits is? I love Tom Waits and own his entire discography, but his albums never went gold, not even once, and Judas Priest has six gold and four platinum albums in USA alone. They started about the same time (mid-70s) and both have several Grammy nominations. Not many people can name even one Tom Waits song, while very few people over the age of 30 have not heard "Breaking the Law" or "Another Thing Coming." So in popularity and commercial success Priest has Waits squarely beaten. Their impact in the relevant genres is comparable and long-lasting. Why?

Notice how I didn't even bring the question whether Waits is "rock'n'roll" at all. RnRHOF has so many non-rock'n'roll artists, that point is moot now.

Also, oddly enough, Waits made the list of Rolling Stones "Top 100 Vocalists of All Time" and Rob Halford didn't. Which is, of course, ridiculous.

Iron Maiden should be in before Priest

 

[kook10]

Iron Maiden should be in before Priest

No. Without Priest there is no Maiden. Objectively they have the same amount of hits/good songs. Maiden's puppet show gave them more longevity though.

 

[Sentinel]

Priest before Maiden, that's not even debatable.

Maiden has been more commercial success, but, again, a lot more people can make a Priest song than a Maiden song. Plus, Priest started earlier and pretty much created the genre for Maiden to exploit.

But that's all besides the point. I still can't wrap my mind about Tom Waits, a man with no hits and not popular recognition, being in the Hall and not Priest.

 

[Eisen]

The HOF is a joke...

how did it take Rush so long to get accepted?

Because Rush stinks

 

[Eisen]

No. Without Priest there is no Maiden. Objectively they have the same amount of hits/good songs. Maiden's puppet show gave them more longevity though.

Priest made their first metal album in 77, two years after Maiden was founded.

 

[mrmovies779]

Priest before Maiden, that's not even debatable.

Maiden has been more commercial success, but, again, a lot more people can make a Priest song than a Maiden song. Plus, Priest started earlier and pretty much created the genre for Maiden to exploit.

It's very much debatable.

I'm not even sure what the bolded means

 

[Jumptheshark]

Priest made their first metal album in 77, two years after Maiden was founded.

Nope

Maiden was found boxing day 1975--you are thinking of their first album

 

[Sentinel]

It's very much debatable.

I'm not even sure what the bolded means

Ask ten people in the street, age 30+, if they have heard "Run to the Hills" or "The Number of the Beast." Then ask them if they've heard "Breaking the Law" or "You Got Another Thing Coming."

Priest made its first "metal" album in 1976 (Sad Wings of Destiny). Maiden s/t came out in 1980.

 

[Roo Returns]

The bottom line is that if the Hall is strictly Rock N Roll then Priest/Maiden/Rush should all be in over Springstein/Newman/Melloncamp/Waits. The later are all songwriters and have contributed compositions and songs, but they are not Rock N Roll, they have are pop/folk/jazz respectfully. Rock N Roll is The Blasters (which ironically I have on now).

 

[mrmovies779]

Ask ten people in the street, age 30+, if they have heard "Run to the Hills" or "The Number of the Beast." Then ask them if they've heard "Breaking the Law" or "You Got Another Thing Coming."

Priest made its first "metal" album in 1976 (Sad Wings of Destiny). Maiden s/t came out in 1980.

Being older or releasing a first album doesnt make a group better or more popular.

 

[Xelebes]

The bottom line is that if the Hall is strictly Rock N Roll then Priest/Maiden/Rush should all be in over Springstein/Newman/Melloncamp/Waits. The later are all songwriters and have contributed compositions and songs, but they are not Rock N Roll, they have are pop/folk/jazz respectfully. Rock N Roll is The Blasters (which ironically I have on now).

Heartland rock is still rock.

 

[Eisen]

Nope

Maiden was found boxing day 1975--you are thinking of their first album

That's exactly what I said. Maiden was founded 2 years before Priest released their first metal album (in 77).

 

[zombie kopitar]

The bottom line is that if the Hall is strictly Rock N Roll then Priest/Maiden/Rush should all be in over Springstein/Newman/Melloncamp/Waits. The later are all songwriters and have contributed compositions and songs, but they are not Rock N Roll, they have are pop/folk/jazz respectfully. Rock N Roll is The Blasters (which ironically I have on now).

Thanks for the laugh, really.
Bruce Springsteen is one of the most influential and iconic voices of rock and roll. Look at at it objectively and understand why these artists are in over Judas Preist......or The Blasters, lord have mercy. I'm going to guess by your spelling of their names that you're not even all that familiar with their catalogs and prominence.



Also,
Maiden>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Preist

 

[kingsholygrail]

The HOF is a joke...

how did it take Rush so long to get accepted?

Had to get all your Pop and Hip Hop stars in first.

 

[Roo Returns]

Thanks for the laugh, really.
Bruce Springsteen is one of the most influential and iconic voices of rock and roll. Look at at it objectively and understand why these artists are in over Judas Preist......or The Blasters, lord have mercy. I'm going to guess by your spelling of their names that you're not even all that familiar with their catalogs and prominence.



Also,
Maiden>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Preist

I've listened to plenty of Springsteen in my day. I respect what he's done and good for him influencing millions but he just doesn't do it for me. The stuff I've heard is ok and the 80s stuff sounds really 80s (big arena drums and too much reverb on the instruments. I love all the musicians in his band as well. His best stuff is his folky acoustic.

John Mellencamp is another guy who has done lotsa old time American music besides traditional rock. My roommate who was from Michigan played him all the time in college. Not bad.

I think Tom Petty is more pure rock n roll than either.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

I love Tom Waits and own his entire discography, but his albums never went gold, not even once, and Judas Priest has six gold and four platinum albums in USA alone. They started about the same time (mid-70s) and both have several Grammy nominations. Not many people can name even one Tom Waits song, while very few people over the age of 30 have not heard "Breaking the Law" or "Another Thing Coming." So in popularity and commercial success Priest has Waits squarely beaten. Their impact in the relevant genres is comparable and long-lasting. Why?

Since when is popularity an accurate measurement of quality?

 

[Aladyyn]

Thanks for the laugh, really.
Bruce Springsteen is one of the most influential and iconic voices of rock and roll. Look at at it objectively and understand why these artists are in over Judas Preist......or The Blasters, lord have mercy. I'm going to guess by your spelling of their names that you're not even all that familiar with their catalogs and prominence.



Also,
Maiden>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Preist

Invalid opinion. Priest are the 2nd most important heavy metal band of all time.

 

[mrmovies779]

Invalid opinion. Priest are the 2nd most important heavy metal band of all time.

Not even close

 

[Mikeaveli]

Since when is popularity an accurate measurement of quality?

It's the RnRHOF, sadly it's not about quality