John Tavares vs Brad Marchand

[Pyrophorus]

Part of the reason for him only playing 68 games was missing 5 due to being suspended. Plus if anything the reason why he's any good with his offense is because of Bergeron, which is the same way Tavares was the reason for Matt Moulson, Kyle Okposo, Josh Bailey and Anders Lee to have great stats playing along side him.

No one is going to mention age when it comes to Marchand?

 

[LeafsNation75]

No one is going to mention age when it comes to Marchand?

That's actually a great point. On a lot of these questions others usually go with the younger player and in this case Tavares is 2 years younger than Marchand.

 

[Emerz]

I disagree-the bolded isn't the question the OP asked.
This is most certainly recency bias, like Matthews is a poor playoff performer.
Aside from 16-17, they were on par last season, and before that Tavares AINEC

They were on par last season? In what way?

Marchand had 1 more point in 18 less games and 21 points in the playoffs. Marchands pace was 103 points last season, he absolutely dominated.

That's like saying a 60 point player was on par with an 82 point player.

 

[Sky04]

Tavares was a very good player on a bad team and it's not his fault that Marchand put equally good numbers on a playoff team.

Tavares didn't even lead his team in scoring, embarrassing.

Marchand was leagues above him, comparing the two is like comparing Matthews to McDavid, not even close.

 

[Skolman]

@LeafsNation75 just stop man, yikes.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Tavares didn't even lead his team in scoring, embarrassing.

Marchand was leagues above him, comparing the two is like comparing Matthews to McDavid, not even close.

He was 1 total point behind Barzal so don't like it wasn't close between them, even though Tavares outscored him in total goals by 15.

 

[Regal]

I disagree-the bolded isn't the question the OP asked.
This is most certainly recency bias, like Matthews is a poor playoff performer.
Aside from 16-17, they were on par last season, and before that Tavares AINEC

The generally accepted interpretation of "who is better" would be who is currently better

 

[Pyrophorus]

The generally accepted interpretation of "who is better" would be who is currently better

Thank you not the OP. I don't you can automatically assume that.

 

[Sky04]

Thank you not the OP. I don't you can automatically assume that.

Of course you can, when you're not trying to spin words because you have a weak argument and your player is losing.

 

[Sky04]

He was 1 total point behind Barzal so don't like it wasn't close between them, even though Tavares outscored him in total goals by 15.

So he didn't even lead his team in scoring? Thanks for confirming.

Brad Marchand didn't have another player on his team with 85 points neither did he get out scored by anyone on his own team, thanks for making a better argument.

 

[LeafsNation75]

So he didn't even lead his team in scoring? Thanks for confirming.

Brad Marchand didn't have another player on his team with 85 points neither did he get out scored by anyone on his own team, thanks for making a better argument.

I also said Tavares lead the Islanders in total goals scored last season and he was 1 point off the team lead in total points.

 

[Sky04]

I also said Tavares lead the Islanders in total goals scored last season and he was 1 point off the team lead in total points.

Oh wow 37 goals, damn Marchand only had 34.....in 14 less games

Too easy, keep going.

 

[Plural]

I voted Tavares way back when this poll was made. But how can anyone say they had equal offensive production last year? For the past two years it's been Marchand by a good amount.

That said, I believe Tavares will continue his peak/prime longer and will be the better choice going forward.

Edit. Scratch that. I changed my vote to Marchand. Some of these arguments for Tavares here are so off putting.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Edit. Scratch that. I changed my vote to Marchand. Some of these arguments for Tavares here are so off putting.

I'm not sure some of them can even be considered "arguments for Tavares". Some are just random comments that neither dispute what is being said against Tavares, nor actually argue something in Tavares favor.

 

[Jot]

Truth is there is very few players better than Marchand over the last couple seasons.

 

[Regal]

Thank you not the OP. I don't you can automatically assume that.

Maybe, but you seemed to automatically assume it wasn't so you probably shouldn't be doing that either.

Honestly though, it's pretty ridiculous to assume it's anything but a current comparison

 

[wintersej]

That's actually a great point. On a lot of these questions others usually go with the younger player and in this case Tavares is 2 years younger than Marchand.

If we are going to talk age... you can almost afford two Marchand’s for the cap hit of one Tavares.

 

[Rich Nixon]

This result is surprising me. Tavares is far and away a better player.

 

[Emerz]

This result is surprising me. Tavares is far and away a better player.

What does Tavares do better than Marchand at this point?

 

[stevo61]

What does Tavares do better than Marchand at this point?

Faceoffs and... well faceoffs I guess

 

[stevo61]

I hate some of Marchands antics but that doesnt change the fact he is an amazing player and incredibly impactful in all 3 zones

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Marchand for sure. Same offense and he has an edge to his game that Tavares doesn’t. If the poll is which one is the biggest turd it’s also Marchand.

 

[olli]

Tavares was a very good player on a bad team and it's not his fault that Marchand put equally good numbers on a playoff team.

Tavares’ team was bad in 17-18 because they couldn’t keep the puck out of their net. The bruins only scored 6 more goals than the islanders last year. If anything playing in Doug weight’s run and gun system inflated JT’s production. Why is it so hard for you to understand that for the past 2 seasons Marchand has been better than JT in all 3 zones?

 

[Pyrophorus]

If we are going to talk age... you can almost afford two Marchand’s for the cap hit of one Tavares.

True, because he never was when he signed, and next contract he'll be too old to risk it.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Tavares’ team was bad in 17-18 because they couldn’t keep the puck out of their net. The bruins only scored 6 more goals than the islanders last year. If anything playing in Doug weight’s run and gun system inflated JT’s production. Why is it so hard for you to understand that for the past 2 seasons Marchand has been better than JT in all 3 zones?

This is true.
Did Capuano also inflate his numbers?