Speculation: Jimmy Vesey should be expendable

[bfaust30]

Has not put up the points that were to be expected. Not been that top 9 difference maker and is in a contract year. Should he be traded for assets or re-signed and what kind of contract would that look like?

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[Mortiest Morty]

Yeah, most 4th liners are pretty expendable. This one even more than most because he plays third line minutes and averages almost 1:30 on the PP just to put up those 4th line numbers.

 

[GAGLine]

His value isn't very high right now. There's really no point in trading him. He isn't going to get much of a raise. Give him a 2 year deal and see if he can find a role on the team going forward.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Yeah, most 4th liners are pretty expendable. This one even more than most because he plays third line minutes and averages almost 1:30 on the PP just to put up those 4th line numbers.

Didn't you guys just give up a 1st and decent prospect for one?

 

[King Weber]

Didn't you guys just give up a 1st and decent prospect for one?

yes, but he can play up and down the lineup and not seem out of place. he's very much like Jarnkrok with more grit in that sense.

plus he's an RFA and only 23 years old.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I'd trade for him. Not a ton, but I'd move a similar young player with upside for him. Anton Slepyshev or someone like that.

 

[Raging Bull]

According to Craig Button he was going to make Nylander expendable if we signed him.

 

[cwede]

Has not put up the points that were to be expected. Not been that top 9 difference maker and is in a contract year. Should he be traded for assets or re-signed and what kind of contract would that look like?

i don't think there is any reason to make that call yet.
His next deal will be -2-3 years at reasonable Hit

Not sure how many points "were to be expected"
but actually, he rarely got regular top 6 W reps with Nash, Grabner, Zucc, Kreider, Miller and others getting ice ahead of him

These remaining weeks, without that top heavy depth ahead of him,
let's see if he can build off more opportunities to score and to lead

 

[Mortiest Morty]

Didn't you guys just give up a 1st and decent prospect for one?

I didn't give up anything for anyone.

But if you mean Nashville, well, Ryan Hartman doesn't play on the PP and he'd be tied for 4th on the entire Rangers team in even strength points. He's much, much, much better than Jimmy Vesey and younger to boot.

 

[TitansVolsPreds615]

Man, I sure hate it for ole Jim...

 

[Machinehead]

Didn't you guys just give up a 1st and decent prospect for one?

Not really

As far as Vesey goes, try and trade him I guess and if there's no takers can we just like.....not sign him?

I have no interest in keeping him around. There's a million better players.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I didn't give up anything for anyone.

But if you mean Nashville, well, Ryan Hartman doesn't play on the PP and he'd be tied for 4th on the entire Rangers team in even strength points. He's much, much, much better than Jimmy Vesey and younger to boot.

50 minutes of powerplay time this season.

@ the bolded. Wow what a feat that is....

Ryan Hartman isn't "much much much" better than anyone in the NHL.


and none of this changes the fact that a 1st and a B prospect were given up for a 4th line player, player you claimed to be expendable.

 

[Mortiest Morty]

50 minutes of powerplay time this season.

@ the bolded. Wow what a feat that is....

Ryan Hartman isn't "much much much" better than anyone in the NHL.


and none of this changes the fact that a 1st and a B prospect were given up for a 4th line player, player you claimed to be expendable.

Look at the other post in response to you above. Ryan Hartman is miles better than Vesey. Hartman isn't a 4th liner, Vesey is. Besides, I said "most 4th liners are pretty expendable". Certainly when they're low quality 4th liners like Vesey.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Not really



As far as Vesey goes, try and trade him I guess and if there's no takers can we just like.....not sign him?

I have no interest in keeping him around. There's a million better players.

Look at the other post in response to you above. Ryan Hartman is miles better than Vesey. Hartman isn't a 4th liner, Vesey is. Besides, I said "most 4th liners are pretty expendable". Certainly when they're low quality 4th liners like Vesey.

CF% of Teammates

Vesey: 46%
Hartman: 53%


the dangers of advanced stats....

 

[Machinehead]

CF% of Teammates

Vesey: 46%
Hartman: 53%


the dangers of advanced stats....

Quality of Teammates doesn't equate players who are miles apart, just like Quality of Competition and zone starts don't.

Hartman is closer to 1st line than 4th line. Absolutely nothing he does is at a 4th line rate except for ice time.

 

[tradenashnow]

I would like to see what he does with a coach who doesn't only value water bugs who have no size and don't hit anybody. At worst Vesey could be one of the better 4th line wingers in the league. 4th lines have a way of being big factor in the playoffs. He's a hold for me. Remember Boyle on our 4th line. Took him a long time to figure it out. Vesey is already light years better than Boyle was at his age.

 

[Machinehead]

I would like to see what he does with a coach who doesn't only value water bugs who have no size and don't hit anybody. At worst Vesey could be one of the better 4th line wingers in the league. 4th lines have a way of being big factor in the playoffs. He's a hold for me. Remember Boyle on our 4th line. Took him a long time to figure it out. Vesey is already light years better than Boyle was at his age.

When has Vesey ever hit anyone?

 

[Jumptheshark]

slower adjustment to the pro game then most wanted

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Vesey has little to no trade value, he's more valuable to the Rangers in a somewhat limited capacity than anyone else

 

[bl02]

People forgot how he was probably the 2nd or 3rd best forward on the team in the playoffs last year. Guy is a fine 3rd/4th line player but Ranger fans seem done with him. We all realize he's not a top 6 guy.

 

[tradenashnow]

Vesey at least can win puck battles in the corners. Unlike our small defenseman.

 

[Allan92]

I think I'd hang on to him for now, I think he has more to give. And hell if this is him, he'll be a useful 4th liner

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Quality of Teammates doesn't equate players who are miles apart, just like Quality of Competition and zone starts don't.

Hartman is closer to 1st line than 4th line. Absolutely nothing he does is at a 4th line rate except for ice time.

the biggest difference between the 2 players per your chart is their Shot Gen/Supp. and that is heavily influenced by your teammates and the difference in teammates is monumental as you can see.

and man the bolded is pretty ridiculous....i dont' even

 

[EdJovanovski]

No reason to sell low on him, even if he doesn't pan out he is a pretty good, young bottom six player with speed, grit & the occasionally flash of brilliance

 

[Machinehead]

the biggest difference between the 2 players per your chart is their Shot Gen/Supp. and that is heavily influenced by your teammates and the difference in teammates is monumental as you can see.

and man the bolded is pretty ridiculous....i dont' even

Yeah, it's influenced by your teammates.

It doesn't magically make you go from a 2 (4th line rate) to a 7 (borderline 1st line rate).

Of Chicago forwards with 1,000 minutes played since the start of last year, Hartman is 3rd in CF%rel and 5th in p/60. He was a top six forward for them. He's closer to 1st line than 4th line.