Salary Cap: Jets approaching cap issues.

[Adam da bomb]

They are not trading him. Get real

I'm just saying if it was between Ehlers and Josh Morrissey for some bizarre cap reason.

 

[surixon]

They already signed Ehlers long term. Not sure why he's relevant here. A bridge deal for Morrissey isn't the end of the world. It's not like he's about to turn into a Norris trophy winner. He barely gets PP time.

A long term deal for a Morrissey is certainly a very real possibility but so is a bridge

In two years time he could be a mainstay on the PP putting up 5o points a year for all we know (Maurice has stated that PP time will be in his future and that he's having hard time not giving it to him now). Someone posted a while ago that he was at or near the top of his position in primary points per 60 at ES. Do you really want to bet against him taking that next step? IMO he is the Scheifele on defense and we have lucked into him coming due to his contract right before he breaks out offensively.

 

[Whileee]

My theory is they trade people and replace them with players on ELCs

Maybe its Perrault or Connor or Buff or Trouba or Copp or whoever but that is what is going to happen. Just get used to it.

In the end if they end up with more 1st round picks and with the way they select first round picks we will replace players as they go.

Agree. That's why I think it's highly unlikely that they trade high picks for short term rentals. The model for sustained success is continuing to build and maintain a strong prospect pipeline.

 

[Aavco Cup]

In two years time he could be a mainstay on the PP putting up 5o points a year for all we know (Maurice has stated that PP time will be in his future and that he's having hard time not giving it to him now). Someone posted a while ago that he was at or near the top of his position in primary points per 60 at ES. Do you really want to bet against him taking that next step? IMO he is the Scheifele on defense and we have lucked into him coming due to his contract right before he breaks out offensively.

That is not what I'm arguing at all. I understand what you are saying. I always have. You don't need to explain yourself any more. There's no point.

Do you understand what I'm saying though? Because it appear you ignored everything I posted about.

 

[Aavco Cup]

I'm just saying if it was between Ehlers and Josh Morrissey for some bizarre cap reason.

This is a pretty weird statement. A good GM finds a way to keep both. We have a good GM

 

[surixon]

That is not what I'm arguing at all. I understand what you are saying. I always have. You don't need to explain yourself any more. There's no point.

Do you understand what I'm saying though?

I do understand. You are saying hard decisions will need to be made on term on the contracts for some players due to the cap in order to keep as much of this team together as possible over the next few years. I don't disagree, just think it will be a mistake with this particular player. I think their are other avenues available to accomplish the same thing. You are free to have your own ideas on that.

 

[Adam da bomb]

This is a pretty weird statement. A good GM finds a way to keep both. We have a good GM

I am having too much fun watching Surixon for me better than I could.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If Trouba is resigned Buff HAS to go. Wheeler is a tricky part here because he may want a raise, in which case we should trade him as well. It will come down to who we want our core to be. I'd imagine Perreault is also moved out in time to make way for a winger core of Laine/Connor/Roslovic/Ehlers/Vesalainen/Armia

Anyone who thinks we are holding onto the aging vet core forever is going to be in for a rude awakening. It would be a dumb move and a good way to kill any type of momentum we'd be gaining as a franchise.

I moved Myers because he is the easiest and least controversial. I think it is clear, looking at our top 5 D after Trouba and Morrissey are signed long term, that we are spending too much on D.

Buff's contract is not too long, which is a good thing but I question whether we can afford to let him play it out here.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It is clear to me and not only for cap reasons, trading Buff next year or year after would be a good play by Jets management. I am Buff fan, but his spot on the Jets will soon be a financial and production liability.

I will also make you a gentleman's bet that Dano is not on our roster next year.

I think there has to be a trade of at least 1 F or F prospect, maybe more than 1. Dano could be included, or maybe a trade will open a spot for him. If he isn't here, I think it is safe to assume he will be replaced by someone who costs about the same.

 

[JetsFan815]

For me of the players that need to be signed in the near future the following are the ones that should be signed long term and are off limits to being moved if possible

Trouba
Morrissey
Lowry
Laine

These 4 player will join Scheifele, Ehlers and Helle the core of the Jets. Other players like Connor while nice to have can be moved or bridged to make room for these guys.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

A lot of this will also depend on post-season success. If we win a cup in the next two years, we are ****ed.

I hope that isn't an argument for avoiding winning.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You seem set on this, why? It doesn't save the Jets much in the way of space the next two years on a top pairing player. After we are paying 7 million, not worth it to me. I sell the more expensive depth before short changing a core player.

For long term success at least IMO we will need to move older vets rather than being overly attached. Cap space will need to be freed up as we go.

We get attached to players. Before the cap, core players could spend their whole careers with one team. Now though, we need to accept the reality that some of our favourites will be traded away.

Wheeler might have to go. He's hitting his peak late. Do we want to commit money and term, hoping he lasts? Or move him before he fades? Chevy is looking at a tough decision.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If this stage of the franchise does come to be, then we may have to get used to watching many of those older guys walk away as free agents instead of getting assets back for them. Most vets would likely to be kept for hopeful deep playoff runs. At least that cap space will free up. Hopefully we will still be able to draft gems like we have so far from a later spot in the draft that will be worth large hits to the cap.

I don't think you can count on that draft success continuing indefinitely - especially from later in every round.

 

[GNP]

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I'm not going to	re-type all this. I'll	put the rest in	the next post.
This is for	2018/2019
	LOW	MID	HIGH	Max With Bonus
Little	$5,291,666	$5,291,666	$5,291,666
Wheeler	$5,600,000	$5,600,000	$5,600,000
Perreault	$4,125,000	$4,125,000	$4,125,000
Scheifele	$6,125,000	$6,125,000	$6,125,000
Ehlers	$6,000,000	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
Laine	$925,000	$925,000	$925,000	$3,575,000
Connor	$925,000	$925,000	$925,000	$1,775,000
Copp	$1,000,000	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
Dano	$875,000	$900,000	$925,000
Lowry	$2,500,000	$3,000,000	$3,500,000
Armia	$1,400,000	$1,800,000	$2,200,000
Roslovic	$894,166	$894,166	$894,166	$1,106,666
Tanev	$800,000	$850,000	$900,000
13 Forwards	$36,460,832	$37,435,832	$38,410,832
Byfuglien	$7,600,000	$7,600,000	$7,600,000
Myers	$5,500,000	$5,500,000	$5,500,000
Kulikov	$4,333,333	$4,333,333	$4,333,333
Chiarot	$1,400,000	$1,400,000	$1,400,000
Trouba	$5,250,000	$5,600,000	$6,000,000
Morrissey	$5,000,000	$5,350,000	$5,750,000
Poolman	$1,000,000	$1,200,000	$1,400,000
Niku	$775,000	$775,000	$775,000
8 Defense	$30,858,333	$31,758,333	$32,758,333
Hellebuyck	$4,000,000	$4,500,000	$5,000,000
Mason	$4,100,000	$4,100,000	$4,100,000
2 Goalies	$8,100,000	$8,600,000	$9,100,000
23 Players
Stuart Buy-out	$583,333	$583,333	$583,333
Total	$76,002,498	$78,377,498	$80,852,498	$84,564,998

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We can't keep all these guys, so I think something like this will happen.

Defense

1) trade Enstrom -- or sign him for $ 1.5 mil ( or let him walk)


2) Buff- trade him (only if Trouba signs) -- big savings - Poolman to fill spot -- if Trouba does not re-sign, then keep Buff, or trade for cheaper replacement.

Goalies

1) Mason- they likely will let him go -- or trade him - go with Helle / Huitch

Forwards

1) Wheeler -( trade him) getting older, and there's plenty of young guys to fill in- if they keep him, they will want a "discounted" contract.

I think this should lessen our salary cap concerns --and I bet 1 or 2 of these guys will be gone next year, or shortly thereafter. These guys are older-- looking at top buc $$ The Jet's will still be a top team if these guys are let go.

 

[ps241]

Morrissey = Bridge Deal

Just sayin'

That would make allot of sense for both sides. So much of the cap story hinges on Trouba.

 

[KingBogo]

I'm just saying if it was between Ehlers and Josh Morrissey for some bizarre cap reason.

No chance it is between Ehlers and Morrissey. You're talking a winger and a top pairing defenseman who are both very young. Ehlers is signed for 7 years at a very reasonable cap it so he is already part of the solution to any cap pressures. Morrissey is a RFA without arb rights with 4 more years of team control so the leverage and flexibility the Jets hold there is also part of any solution at least over the next few years. The tough decisions will be on the vets, should they stay or should they go.

 

[Daximus]

That would make allot of sense for both sides. So much of the cap story hinges on Trouba.

Pretty much all of it hinges on Trouba right now. If we trade him then we keep Buff and Poolman replaces Trouba. If we sign Trouba we need to move Buff. If he isn't here that gives us a lot of money for depth which we will need if we want to keep the Lowry's, Armia's and Copp's even for a little while longer.

 

[mcpw]

If we sign Trouba we need to move Buff.

Not at all.

 

[KingBogo]

Pretty much all of it hinges on Trouba right now. If we trade him then we keep Buff and Poolman replaces Trouba. If we sign Trouba we need to move Buff. If he isn't here that gives us a lot of money for depth which we will need if we want to keep the Lowry's, Armia's and Copp's even for a little while longer.

Agreed. Trouba and Buff are the 2 players our cap pressures and relief from cap pressures revolve around.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Not at all.

Agreed. There are lot of other options and I doubt Chevy is intending to trade Buff this summer

 

[Daximus]

Not at all.

Well I mean we can keep Buff, at the expense of about 2-3 depth guys sure. But that would be idiotic for lack of a better term.

 

[mcpw]

Everyone aware that we control Trouba for two more years, including arbitration rights?

Y'all make it sound like there are only three options: a) trade Buff, b) trade Trouba, c) have two RHDs signed for $15M. That's BS.

Just one easy option out is to go to arbitration with Trouba.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Well I mean we can keep Buff, at the expense of about 2-3 depth guys sure. But that would be idiotic for lack of a better term.

Well why not trade Myers instead (just as an example) why is it Buff and only Buff?

 

[Daximus]

Agreed. Trouba and Buff are the 2 players our cap pressures and relief from cap pressures revolve around.

Absolutely. When you crunch the numbers it's really the only thing that makes sense either Trouba/Myers/Poolman or Buff/Myers/Poolman is the best route to take for righties. I'd imagine the org is pretty high on Niku as well so he likely gets a shot to take out Toby. I wonder if they offer Toby a one year deal to see what Niku's got?

MoJo - Trouba
Kuli - Myers
Niku - Poolman

Is what I would want. Saves us about $13.35 mil next year with Toby and Buff gone. Plenty of room to resign Helle and all the depth and leaves money long term for Laine's signing.

 

[Daximus]

Well why not trade Myers instead (just as an example) why is it Buff and only Buff?

Because he makes a lot more. He's a victim of the math. Plus his contract isn't likely to be worth his play. It really already isn't.