James van Riemsdyk Progressing or Regression?

[Wafflewhipper]

He was a very good possession player before Carlyle gets his hands on him.

Bs. He gets worse on his own and I linked the lines terrible stats going back to its entirety. They suck defensively and get worse. Anyone here who watches' him float on defensive assignments nightly knows your stretching it bud. Keep trying though you might suck in a few here lol.

Too funny. Jvr needs alot of work to his defensive game.

 

[X66]

Bs?

Check his possession stat the year before he got carlyle as a coach.

 

[HellasLEAF]

He will do better with Kadri offensively.

The defence, he has to continue to work to get better. It's on him.

 

[Durrr]

He will do better with Kadri offensively.

The defence, he has to continue to work to get better. It's on him.

I'd probably swap that around, as he has two defensively conscious line mates. What he doesn't have on that line is a 30 goal scoring, ppg winger to play with.

 

[pucci2001]

He will do better with Kadri offensively.

The defence, he has to continue to work to get better. It's on him.

JVR is having one of his best seasons point wise, that isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about fixing a line that is a defensive liability and causes our dmen to get tired out whenever they are on the ice.

 

[Gallagbi]

Its pretty rare. You have a site I can go get the PK minutes for players from and I will.

NHL.com

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

why is this even a question at this point?

 

[TheLeafsBro]

He'll continue to improve and get better if he keeps playing with Kadri.

 

[Deebo]

You have a site I can go get the PK minutes for players from and I will.

JVR averages 1:10 SH TOI per game, Bozak averages 0:42

 

[Mess]

Its pretty rare. You have a site I can go get the PK minutes for players from and I will.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats....15&sort=timeOnIce&status=A&viewName=timeOnIce

 

[Tyler Biggs*]

JVR brings a lot to the table no doubt.

 

[StringsAttached]

JVR brings a lot to the table no doubt.

Care to elaborate a little?

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Bs?

Check his possession stat the year before he got carlyle as a coach.

The line cheats and floats and don't have the work ethic away from the puck as a whole. Quit deflecting all the blame to Carlyle because you don't like him. He will and is doing better with Kadri so for. That first line was kept together by Carlyle though. I will give you that. He should not be accepting the horrible defensive play that long.

So now Kadri has a elite scoring winger. That's fun. Your being hell-bent on blaming everything on one person.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

NHL.com

They have lines and lines minutes played together there? Do you know where at?

 

[Wafflewhipper]

JVR averages 1:10 SH TOI per game, Bozak averages 0:42

ok thank you.

 

[Gallagbi]

They have lines and lines minutes played together there? Do you know where at?

They have TOI broken down by situation, which is what you asked for.

You have a site I can go get the PK minutes for players from and I will.

Some other sites will cover linemates. Dobber hockey is usually good for 5on5, not sure on PK or PP though.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

They have TOI broken down by situation, which is what you asked for.



Some other sites will cover linemates. Dobber hockey is usually good for 5on5, not sure on PK or PP though.

Cool thanks.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I said this in another thread, but if JVR isn't progressing defensively but is progressing everywhere else, he's still progressing. And progressing enough that you keep a talent like that and find other ways to plug the lineup with more defensive players (or find a new coach). Not everyone on the team will be a two-way stud. If someone isn't but can still do what JVR does offensively at that contract, he's a keeper.

 

[X66]

The line cheats and floats and don't have the work ethic away from the puck as a whole. Quit deflecting all the blame to Carlyle because you don't like him. He will and is doing better with Kadri so for. That first line was kept together by Carlyle though. I will give you that. He should not be accepting the horrible defensive play that long.

So now Kadri has a elite scoring winger. That's fun. Your being hell-bent on blaming everything on one person.

You're not capable of grasping objective facts, that was apparent in the Carlyle thread.

I'm still waiting for the argument against Kessel being a great possession player the day Wilson was fired.

 

[ashnathan]

Is JVR on the table with all the ****storm thats going on?

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Is JVR on the table with all the ****storm thats going on?

probably is yeah.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

You're not capable of grasping objective facts, that was apparent in the Carlyle thread.

I'm still waiting for the argument against Kessel being a great possession player the day Wilson was fired.

You are going to be objective when there is no Carlyle to blame I'm hoping. You notice all the heat Kessel is getting this day you got your wish of Carlyle getting fired. Jvr is going to get heat too. You'll soon see it wasn't system to blame. It is rogue self centered players at the heart all along. You heard Wilson say the same thing I suspected all along. You are running out of space.

Who you going to blame when the same continues. Never mind I know already. I will be looking forward to your charts on spotter and companies poor possession stats. I'm glad you got your way and I bet your cocky demeanor will dissipate soon enough.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Is JVR on the table with all the ****storm thats going on?

I sure hope not.

As an aside, I remember a few years back, a poster here created a set of avatars with the theme "no grey area". Basically meant Leaf fans only took 1 of 2 sides and never met in the middle on any idea, topic, player etc...

Well this season Leaf fans have found a grey area, and one that has become fantasy land. The media/analytics phase contributed, as did successful NHL teams.

What I am referring to is, Leaf fans hate anyone who isn't a two-way player. Lots of offence, no defence (Kessel, JVR, and to an extent already Nylander) a bust. All defence no offence (Jay McClement and now unfairly Frederik Gauthier) a bust.

Yes, good teams are made up of a lot of two-way players, or at least one-way players who buy into the system. But not every player is some two-way genius. Not the way things work.

If you have an offensive or defensive specialist, that's fine, as long as you surround them with two-way players to compliment them.

But Leafs nation has found a new trend to go bonkers on. Not two-way, don't give two-*****.

It has spilled over to JVR, and ya defensively he has been a train wreck. But he stays healthy (unlike Lupul), for a bigger man, he uses his speed and size well enough (unlike Clarkson). And he may be less of an offensive guy than Kessel, but only makes just over half of Kessel (as well as less than Lupul and Clarkson).

I get the culture stuff (though he was brought in after the other culprits) and his work in the defensive zone. But my goodness for a guy his age, who can put up the numbers he does, who has the skill that he does in tight, and is on the contract he is on, it would be foolish to give him up (unless we were overwhelmed).

 

[ashnathan]

Well, to me, I think the Bruins could bring out all of JVR's strength, and you guys sound like you need a good C and definitely a 2 way defensive forward that is good on the PK, very good along the boards and just has this uncanny ability to put his stick in the right places, I give you Soderberg and Loui Eriksson for JVR, together they are worth more than being separated, they're chemistry is scary. You can have Chris Kelly too if you want more defensive forwards, we don't want him haha.

But as I said, I think Boston could really bring out JVR to his best, use his size, speed, net front presence etc and he'll be held accountable for his play, if not he'll be booed out of town. I think he needs a change of scenery personally and I also think Toronto need to send Kessel packing if they want to start being a contending team, I think its fair to say Phil isn't going to win you cups but he can definitely net you some lucrative deals.

 

[Pi]

Bruins have nothing that they would be willing to trade for JvR that I would want. Plus JvR looks a lot better when he's not playing with Kessel and Bozak. He's the only reason we get any dirty goals at all.