We don't need TWO James Wisniewskis. We have David Savard to bomb it from the blueline, get out skated, make stupid plays in our own end and take needless penalties.
Rumor: Jackets trying to move Wisniewski
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Of all the reasons I've read why Wiz could be moved, this one makes the most sense.
Ok thank you. I respect you for at least throwing out a name. And Yandle IS a pretty good comparable. Again however I'd argue, IMO, that Yandle is still better both offensively and defensively. Not sure what the stats say about that. I'd say mobility and offensive awareness are 2 things that definitely put him ahead offensively. Defensively I cant say I watch PHO or Yandle "much" but from what I've seen I'm not sure you can say he's worse than Wiz.
I'd take Yandle over Wiz on our team 10 out of 10 times. I'd wager a guess so would most people in here, along with probably 28 out of 30 GM's in the league.
Wiz is closer to Zidlicky than he is "the top PP QB's".
I'd take Yandle over Wiz on our team 10 out of 10 times. I'd wager a guess so would most people in here, along with probably 28 out of 30 GM's in the league.
Wiz is closer to Zidlicky than he is "the top PP QB's".
I almost threw out Zidlicky's name also, but I think he is better defensively than Wiz, but also not as good offensively. And I know +/- is a "worthless stat", but I think the difference in that category leans towards showing Wiz is better defensively than Yandle, who was -23 last year and -31 this year, compared to even last year for Wiz, and -7 this year.
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1) Your opinion on Wisniewski is absurd to the point of basically being rejected immediately. Coming from me, that says something because I'm definitely no stranger to unpopular opinions.
2) "Most people on here would" may or may not be true. Then again, our opinion matters little; there are thousands of regular posters, the majority of whom would never be able to hold a job with an NHL team in hockey ops. There are a few hundred who could, there are fewer than 200 who could do anything resembling a passable job as an NHL GM if put in that position. It just so happens that our little team board here has five or six of those, half of whom would never take on such a job because of the all-encompassing nature of an extremely difficult job and the other half of whom would find a way to make it work.
3) GMs are prone to the same types of biases as anyone else. Yandle was 23 when he hit 10 goals and 0.5 PPG, Wisniewski was 25 and on his second NHL team when he approached those marks at all and 26 before he hit them. Age is enormously important; a player who hits a milestone or emerges at an earlier age will almost always be more highly-regarded on the open market than someone who breaks through later. Various studies across all sports also bear out that this is a wise approach.
You still don't know what a fact is. Are you sure you're not a piss poor politician in real life? This is a common tactic to throw the debate back to the opponent without actually justifying their position. You can't ask me to produce results from research when you haven't produced any. I don't think I've even seen you "show your work". You just randomly throw out stuff as "facts" based on.. well nothing... Your like a poor mans Neil Patrick Harris from How I Met Your Mother.
I was discussing Wiz within the context of this team. He's not the worst d-man in the defensive zone on our team; which is why he's a 3/4. He's clearly one of the top 3 offensive players on this team; clearly the most productive right now. If he was only a PP specialist he'd be a 5/6.
You've also set some weird ass bar for this conversation. I'm not even sure I understand the relevance. Who is similar offensively but worse defensively? In the end we can name some players but all that is going to happen is your going to say "He's worse defensively". You won't have any evidence; you'll just opine.
You seem to believe that your opinion is worth more than it is. You clearly don't research much if anything; as you never produce evidence.
If you want, I'll do some research to find some comparables. But as I said, I don't see what good that would do. Anyone I produce you'll just claim their superior. I don't see why I would waste my time. Now if someone like MB or Viqsi asked; sure.
Look, Wiz has his faults but you are being very unfair. I was really hard on Wiz last year in the playoffs, so I'm not blind to his faults. Having said that our entire top four has their faults. We don't have anyone that can compete with Chicago's or Nashville's top pairs, as an example. Our top pairing needs a lot of help. Neither JJ nor Savard are the right answers.
I'm not sure what we do to be honest. We need Murray to get healthy and develop to see what his peak will be. But even if proves to be a 1/2; we really don't have a good answer to compliment him on the top pairing. If you say Savard, I might lose my lunch.
Wha? We're you expecting to change your opinion the more times someone asked you?
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Why trade a veteran on a team lost in the fog....
We all know what Wis is.... serviceable defenseman but a GD winner on the PP...
Don't trade Wis, trade John Davidson...
We all know what Wis is.... serviceable defenseman but a GD winner on the PP...
Don't trade Wis, trade John Davidson...
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Like Wiz. And I like how he worked his trade list to make it difficult for the CBJ to move him.
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Doggy
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I don't assume. Have you seen the stuff that people are saying around here right now?
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I am just cherry picking here but...I think the reverse with Wiz. His reputation as a defensive liability earlier in his career is impossible to shake. I am not saying Wiz has become a shut down d-man but his "WTF" moments have dropped considerably and I think he is having his best all-around year this season. I am not cringing every time he touches the puck in the defensive zone or trying to pinch at the blue line.
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You think this stuff is bad...spend some time on the Browns boards...its unbearably idiotic!
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I think either Jack Johnson, or Wiz needs to be moved. We need to shore up our actual defense in front of Bob, Personally I would rather keep Wiz, and trade Johnson for a punishing stay at home defenseman.
That is basically what I am thinking as well. We need to improve our defense and the only way to do that is to trade someone, IMO.
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Market price today for rental Petry like D is 1 round (15 or 16) + prospect. Rental! Wiz is not rental and he has higher price.
We are ready trade one of our best D for 2 round + nuts?
Sorry, we are going to absorb all toxic contracts in season 15/16 ? FO can't explain own strategy probably our " prophet" Portzline can?
Ok, I am " emotionally and psychically" ready to trade JJ or just Tyutin
one of our TOP LHD, but not Wiz. Who RHD stays in system - Savard and Prout and rest present and future D all LHD. Usually LHD uncomfortable play RHD, do You remember Nikitin problem? We need good RHD for PP in future, I am not sure about Savard.
We are ready trade one of our best D for 2 round + nuts?
Sorry, we are going to absorb all toxic contracts in season 15/16 ? FO can't explain own strategy probably our " prophet" Portzline can?Ok, I am " emotionally and psychically" ready to trade JJ or just Tyutin
one of our TOP LHD, but not Wiz. Who RHD stays in system - Savard and Prout and rest present and future D all LHD. Usually LHD uncomfortable play RHD, do You remember Nikitin problem? We need good RHD for PP in future, I am not sure about Savard.The beauty is that this is a win/win for Columbus. I trust jarmo will only pull the trigger if he can improve our team's future. If we end up hanging onto wiz then I am fine with it. I don't think a team can have too many defensmen who can shoot the puck. I don't think jarmo is going to sell wiz any less than a 1st + prospect or 4th.
Yeah, I agree, dingus.
I don't think the relationship is ruined between Wiz and coach richards because of one healthy scratch. He has still been getting #3 defenseman minutes all year. For all we know, any of our players with no trade clauses could have been asked for their lists leading up to the deadline, as to properly gauge the market. Jarmo probably has been working his phones, got word that offensive defensemen were looking like they would go for a 1st and a B+ prospect. So Jarmo asked Wiz's agent for his list so that he could begin negotiating with other general managers in good faith. If the right trade isnt there I think everyone on the team could be fine with him staying. Wiz said as much earlier today about it not being anything personal.
This is certainly different than what we're used to!
"Wisniewski is getting creative when it comes to using his no-trade clause to try to stay with the Blue Jackets."
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...-making-it-hard-for-blue-jackets-to-trade-him
"Wisniewski is getting creative when it comes to using his no-trade clause to try to stay with the Blue Jackets."
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...-making-it-hard-for-blue-jackets-to-trade-him
