Proposal: Islanders--Vancouver

[miscs75]

You can just admit you don't know who Pulock is.

He gets his info around the league from Eklund and TSN.

 

[Ignite111]

I'm sure Isles fans would be salivating at this.....a 90-100 point forward who can play either center or wing; for a d-man who ranks as a 4-5 on most depth charts. And the Canaucks also toss in a second rounder?

They'd burn Allvin in effigy in Vancouver if he ever even entertained such a transaction.

Guy gets a Norris trophy vote 2 years ago and is a 4th or 5th on most teams lol. So your saying there is 130+ d men better than him?

 

[seabass45]

I do, too.

But he's on an OEL contract.

You're going to get good value in the next couple years and then he's going to Ryan McDonagh and you're going to be stuck with an absolute albatross for the last few years of that deal. And the good bit will be when we're not competing and then the bad bit will be when we're trying to open a contending window.

If his contract was 4 or 5 years, it's a different story.

OEL is getting paid more than two mil more than Pulock and Ryan McDonagh would still be on the Lightning if they weren’t in cap hell.

 

[Peter Griffin]

OEL is getting paid more than two mil more than Pulock and Ryan McDonagh would still be on the Lightning if they weren’t in cap hell.

$1M(Arizona is picking up $1M) and Tampa isn’t in cap hell enough to resign 3 key RFA’s to massive extensions. They’re just smart enough to see the writing on the wall and dumped McDonagh now before his contract required sweetener to dump.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

If you're trading for Miller you're trading for a guy who represents a massive value surplus relative to his cap hit for next year - a 99 point #1C getting paid $5.2 million.

This isn't 1995. You're trading for contracts, not players,

Again, who has more trade value : OEL or Scott Mayfield?

Yes, he's an awesome rental. He'd be great for that one year until he wants 9 plus on a 7 or 8 year deal that takes him into his late 30's (like OEL...gonna be sweet paying him 10.5 in salary next offseason)

He's worth a B+ prospect and a first rounder in 2023. I hope Vancouver gets that from someone.

Mayfield obviously has more value. He's younger and when resigned will cost half as much as OEL. Considering Mayfield's just as good, equal or slightly worse than OEL while being 3 to 4 million less a season it's a pretty obvious call.

You're getting less value with OEL's contract and much more from Mayfield. Much like how you would get more value with Pulock signed and less once Miller gets his asking price on the next contract.

 

[seabass45]

$1M(Arizona is picking up $1M) and Tampa isn’t in cap hell enough to resign 3 key RFA’s to massive extensions. They’re just smart enough to see the writing on the wall and dumped McDonagh now before his contract required sweetener to dump.

No, two mil. OEL is making 8 million this year, and I’m extremely aware that Arizona is retaining on part of that.

 

[Peter Griffin]

No, two mil. OEL is making 8 million this year, and I’m extremely aware that Arizona is retaining on part of that.

Why does Vancouver care what he’s actually earning though? The $7M figure is ALL that matters as that is the “OEL contract” they traded for.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

One for one would be closer to being “fair”… obviously that would also depend on a miller contract resign too. Miller is a bonafide top line winger or centre (whatever need you have) and pulock is easily a top pairing D.

 

[MS]

Yes, he's an awesome rental. He'd be great for that one year until he wants 9 plus on a 7 or 8 year deal that takes him into his late 30's (like OEL...gonna be sweet paying him 10.5 in salary next offseason)

He's worth a B+ prospect and a first rounder in 2023. I hope Vancouver gets that from someone.

Mayfield obviously has more value. He's younger and when resigned will cost half as much as OEL. Considering Mayfield's just as good, equal or slightly worse than OEL while being 3 to 4 million less a season it's a pretty obvious call.

You're getting less value with OEL's contract and much more from Mayfield. Much like how you would get more value with Pulock signed and less once Miller gets his asking price on the next contract.

You're absolutely right that you get less value with OEL's contract. Same as Pulock's.

Again : all the reasons that Canuck fans understand make OEL a negative-value asset apply to Pulock.

You can't say that 8 years of Pulock >>>>>>> 1 year of Miller and then also that 1 year of Mayfield >>>>>> 5 years of OEL.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Why does Vancouver care what he’s actually earning though? The $7M figure is ALL that matters as that is the “OEL contract” they traded for.

Was Vancouver not responsible for the 5.25 signing bonus that was paid out recently (his salary is only 5.25 this season). Whoever's responsible for his salary the next two years isn't going to be seeing much value though, 10.25 in 23-24?

 

[MS]

No, two mil. OEL is making 8 million this year, and I’m extremely aware that Arizona is retaining on part of that.

The Arizona retained amount on OEL has absolutely nothing to do with his current situation or trade value.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Was Vancouver not responsible for the 5.25 signing bonus that was paid out recently (his salary is only 5.25 this season). Whoever's responsible for his salary the next two years isn't going to be seeing much value though, 10.25 in 23-24?

No idea how they worked that out. Salary has never been a concern though for Vancouver.

 

[quat]

As a NYI fan, I'm definitely comfortable letting the first half play out without making a deal anything resembling this.

As the phrase goes, this not the droid we're looking for.

But wasn't it, in fact, the droid they were looking for?

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Ryan Pulock is being criminally underrated in this thread.

Pulock would easily be a top pairing defenseman on atleast 10-12 teams in the NHL including Vancouver and NY Islanders.

The Canucks could use a shutdown defender who can play in all situations like Pulock does for the Islanders.

Quality, right shot all-around 6’2’’, 215lbs defenseman such as Pulock are rarely available and really hard to come by, Ryan also has a big shot as well when he uses it.

As a neutral poster in this thread, wouldn’t do this deal from the Isles POV.

 

[Jester9881]

In this thread, I learned that Ryan Pulock is old, signed to a bad contract, and is a #3 defenseman.

Not to worry Vancouver fans, Ryan Pulock will never ever play for the Canucks.

 

[andora]

This vancouver fan would do one for one if getting pulock

Jeez.. islanders play most games at 4 pm here i guess people just dont watch

I guess still coming home from work

 

[saintunspecified]

But wasn't it, in fact, the droid they were looking for?

Nope. Saw that Droid break down cross town, and in Tampa Bay.

 

[SI90]

I don't know if I'd take Pulock for free on that contract.

Wtf? Its a great contract. Are you familiar with Pulock?

 

[seabass45]

This thread should be locked at this point. Pulock has a full NTC and hasn’t played a game under this new deal so there’s no point to discussing this, which is why we’re now debating if the Pulock contract is good.

 

[platotld]

Welcome to the fanbase of Canadian hockey teams. Everyone we have is Wayne Gretzky in his prime and you’re only offering us Jason Doig in return.

Well then Myers for Barzal, Myers is a RHD and the canucks had the 5th best GA in the NHL last year.

 

[Cogburn]

No idea how they worked that out. Salary has never been a concern though for Vancouver.

Going further, I hope that our salaries actually cause our ownership group to hemorrhage money to the point of crippling poverty.

Well then Myers for Barzal, Myers is a RHD and the canucks had the 5th best GA in the NHL last year.

Well, tied for 7th...with the Islanders.

 

[MS]

Wtf? Its a great contract. Are you familiar with Pulock?

Again :

Very good player right now.

Crazy term on contract that is hugely likely to turn into a negative-value albatross in the back half of the deal.

TIL that $7 million to OEL as a #3/maybe #2 defender until age 36 = worst contract ever, but $6 million to Ryan Pulock as a #3/maybe #2 defender until age 36 = OMG amazing contract huge value asset.

 

[miscs75]

Well then Myers for Barzal, Myers is a RHD and the canucks had the 5th best GA in the NHL last year.

Might as well toss in the OEL contract if you’re trying to clean house.

 

[Breakers]

Vancouver instantly has the most expensive defense core in the entire NHL

We currently have a bottom 5 prospect pool in the NHL

If we came out of this and didn’t ditch Myers or Garbage man (Poolman). It would be a complete travesty

Heck I haven’t even done the math on the cap hit of that that defense. But it is absurd. It looks to be around $28 million for the top 4 with rough math.

And we lose picks
We traded seven 2nd rounders under that idiot Benning.
NO MORE

 

[SI90]

Again :

Very good player right now.

Crazy term on contract that is hugely likely to turn into a negative-value albatross in the back half of the deal.

TIL that $7 million to OEL as a #3/maybe #2 defender until age 36 = worst contract ever, but $6 million to Ryan Pulock as a #3/maybe #2 defender until age 36 = OMG amazing contract huge value asset.

The cap goes up and he’s and he’s only 27.

We see UFAs every year signed 7-8 year deals at 28,29, and even 30 years old.