Dreger: Islanders 1st round pick to vegas (per source)

[McDNicks17]

Same here.

Another poster brought up a great point that Snow will leverage the fact that CDH went unprotected and WASN'T CLAIMED in arbitration as an RFA. Really smart business if true. May not work with an arbitrator, but it's worth the chance.

Isn't it more in CDH's favour if both sides know that Snow had to give up assets(and likely pretty good ones) to make sure that happened though?

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Interesting...either McPhee or Snow is a clear winner here.

1) If the 1st is to protect the forwards + CDH then Snow wins big if all he had to do was give up a 1st to prtect that many assets..McPhee could easily hold out for more or simply just draft Nelson or De Haan

2) If the 1st is to only protect the forwards then McPhee wins big..De Haan + 1st is so much more valuable than any of the Isles exposed forwards

There really isn't any middle ground here unless Snow is giving up more than just the 1st to protect his 3 or 4 guys.

That doesn't make any sense. Why give up deHaan and the first when he can keep the first and just leave deHaan exposed, like he did? The only way coughing up both works is if we get an asset back our way.

 

[Dipietro39]

Interesting...either McPhee or Snow is a clear winner here.

1) If the 1st is to protect the forwards + CDH then Snow wins big if all he had to do was give up a 1st to prtect that many assets..McPhee could easily hold out for more or simply just draft Nelson or De Haan

2) If the 1st is to only protect the forwards then McPhee wins big..De Haan + 1st is so much more valuable than any of the Isles exposed forwards


There really isn't any middle ground here unless Snow is giving up more than just the 1st to protect his 3 or 4 guys.

It's a win-win for both clubs.

Isles shed Kuli and Grabo and doesn't lose Nelson, STrome, CDH.

Vegas gets 15th overal, Kuli, which they can flip for another pick, and Grabovski's contract which is largely paid by insurance since he is injured. Plus Grabo and Kuli are UFA after this year. In sum, Vegas gets 15th overall + return on Kuli for 9 million.

 

[boredmale]

That depends where you draw your line on smart. If he kills him in arbitration deHaan will just go 1 year then become a UFA.

We lose in that scenario.

It also gives Pelech a big talking point when it's his turn to go to arbitration. lol

 

[Dipietro39]

Last point, AGAIN, If Snow couldn't make the current deal where HE selects who vegas picks in exchange for the 1st etc . . . you don't know what Isles protected list would look like. Fair to assume CDH would have been on it.

 

[IslesFanatic]

NYI trades 15th + Grabovski and Vegas chooses from either Halak, Hickey, or Kulemin.

And NYI clears 9.2 million in cap space.

 

[IslesFanatic]

Hypothetically if we trade one of De Haan/Hamonic do you want our defense to be

Leddy-Boychuk
Seidenberg-De Haan/Hamonic
Pelech-Pulock
Mayfield

With first call up being Devon Toews?

What if NYI trades both? Wonder if Garth would do that.

 

[Dipietro39]

What if NYI trades both? Wonder if Garth would do that.

If he can get Galchenyuk AND Duchene . . . yes!! But neither should be trade for Eberle!

 

[Nucker101]

That doesn't make any sense. Why give up deHaan and the first when he can keep the first and just leave deHaan exposed, like he did? The only way coughing up both works is if we get an asset back our way.

I agree

 

[Nucker101]

It's a win-win for both clubs.

Isles shed Kuli and Grabo and doesn't lose Nelson, STrome, CDH.

Vegas gets 15th overal, Kuli, which they can flip for another pick, and Grabovski's contract which is largely paid by insurance since he is injured. Plus Grabo and Kuli are UFA after this year. In sum, Vegas gets 15th overall + return on Kuli for 9 million.

McPhee should have held out for more in this case, good for Snow.

 

[Dipietro39]

TSN has posted Staple's article

http://www.tsn.ca/report-islanders-have-deal-in-place-with-vegas-1.783537

No way this gets posted if it isn't true.

 

[PWJunior]

McPhee should have held out for more in this case, good for Snow.

They have a strong relationship and Garth did him a solid by keeping McPhee relevant in hockey so he could get the job in the first place. I doubt McPhee was looking to screw Snow and the Isles.

 

[SI]

If he can get Galchenyuk AND Duchene . . . yes!! But neither should be trade for Eberle!

You have to address the D - if he did that

Let's say Galchenyuk signs a similar deal to Drouin 5.5m and Duchene 6m = 11.5

de Haan (4.14) and Hamonic (3.86) = -8
They save some dough on Grabovski and say Kulemin at -9.2

Giving the team almost 6m to land 1 or 2 D men - Shattenkirk! or more likely Alzner or Smith

 

[Nolanitis]

Grabo is on the injured list and cannot be taken. I can see Kulemin going, but I hope Hickey is the guy!

 

[SI90]

Grabo is on the injured list and cannot be taken. I can see Kulemin going, but I hope Hickey is the guy!

Grabo is part of the trade along with the first.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Grabo is part of the trade along with the first.

I think people are confusing the expansion draft with the trade period. They are *separate.*

 

[seafoam]

Grabo is on the injured list and cannot be taken. I can see Kulemin going, but I hope Hickey is the guy!

He's not being taken, he's being traded.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

McPhee should have held out for more in this case, good for Snow.

TSN has posted Staple's article

http://www.tsn.ca/report-islanders-have-deal-in-place-with-vegas-1.783537

No way this gets posted if it isn't true.

According to Arthur Staple of Newsday, the Islanders have a deal in place with the Vegas Golden Knights that will see the Islanders send Vegas a first-round pick in order to steer them away from one of the designated players on their unprotected list.
The deal in place also includes a third piece going to the Golden Knights. That player in believed to be Mikhail Grabovski.
Grabovski has yet to be cleared to play after suffering a concussion in March, 2016.
Grabovski has a cap hit of $5 million next season and Garth Snow is said to be looking to shed some cap space in order to bolster the Islanders lineup.

So according to my reading comprehension the first and the Grabovski cap dump steers them away from one player

 

[CodeE]

So according to my reading comprehension the first and the Grabovski cap dump steers them away from one player

Read directly from the source:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...hts-in-expansion-draft-sources-say-1.13748697

The Islanders have a deal in place to send their first-round pick to Vegas to steer the expansion franchise toward selecting a designated player off the Isles’ unprotected list, two NHL sources confirmed to Newsday on Monday.

TSN first reported the existence of the deal.

The player designated for selection is still unknown, though clearly the goal for general manager Garth Snow is to clear some salary-cap space to upgrade the team’s roster before next season.

The Islanders are designating the player that Vegas will be selecting.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Let's say (and hope it's true) that the deal is 15 + Grabo to take Kuli.
The turn Hamonic + CDH + Strome into Duchene and Eberle (and other stuff on either side as needed)

Lee -- Tavares -- Bailey
Nelson -- Duchene -- Eberle
Ladd -- Barzal -- Ho-Sang
Beauvillier -- Cizikas -- Clutterbuck
Chimera, Prince, Quine

Leddy -- Boychuk
Pelech -- Pulock
Hickey -- Seidenberg
Mayfield (with Toews as 1st call-up)

Greiss
Halak


That defense is maybe too reliant on a couple of rookies, but that offense would be a treat to watch. Would be a real 180 from previous Islander teams that had lots of D depth but no secondary scoring.

 

[boredmale]

Let's say (and hope it's true) that the deal is 15 + Grabo to take Kuli.
The turn Hamonic + CDH + Strome into Duchene and Eberle (and other stuff on either side as needed)

Lee -- Tavares -- Bailey
Nelson -- Duchene -- Eberle
Ladd -- Barzal -- Ho-Sang
Beauvillier -- Cizikas -- Clutterbuck
Chimera, Prince, Quine

I am guessing Barzal starts in the AHL and wouldn't be surprised if they send him to the Olympics.

And just a wild theory here but say we trade De Haan and Hamonic I can see the Islanders going hard on some UFA defenseman or picking up one via trade. In this scenario Nelson would be traded to either pick up assets(draft pick(s)) and cap space

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Read directly from the source:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...hts-in-expansion-draft-sources-say-1.13748697

The Islanders are designating the player that Vegas will be selecting.

Ok well that certainly makes more sense for the Isles. Not sure why Vegas takes the cap dump .. I guess they want that 15OA pick

 

[LordNeverLose]

I hope to god they don't send Barzal to BPT to have him work on his two-way play. His an offensive minded player, let him be offensively creative rather than creating another Bailey/Strome fiasco that is good at nothing in particular.

Look at what Bossy or Lemieux were told when they came into the league (not that I think Barzal is close to their level of talent)

 

[me2]

Interesting...either McPhee or Snow is a clear winner here.

1) If the 1st is to protect the forwards + CDH then Snow wins big if all he had to do was give up a 1st to prtect that many assets..McPhee could easily hold out for more or simply just draft Nelson or De Haan

2) If the 1st is to only protect the forwards then McPhee wins big..De Haan + 1st is so much more valuable than any of the Isles exposed forwards


There really isn't any middle ground here unless Snow is giving up more than just the 1st to protect his 3 or 4 guys.

Or he does a deal to protect the forwards and then trades CDH. Vegas doesn't get CDH.

Vegas has to negotiate knowing teams will trade players if they are pushed too hard. Vegas did very well to get a mid-1st. NYI did well to lose some salary.

It's win-win and far better than forcing a scenario where they both lose.

 

[boredmale]

Or he does a deal to protect the forwards and then trades CDH. Vegas doesn't get CDH.

Vegas has to negotiate knowing teams will trade players if they are pushed too hard. Vegas did very well to get a mid-1st. NYI did well to lose some salary.

It's win-win and far better than forcing a scenario where they both lose.

As I pointed out in a few posts on previous pages I don't think if Vegas picks any of our exposed guys and tries turn it around for picks/prospects they will get better then the 15th pick. In the case of the 2 guys they get from us both are UFAs next summer and in the case of Kulemin they probably can turn him around at the deadline for a decent pick and Grabo will most likely spend the entire season on LTIR thus insurance pays 80% his salary. Depending how Vegas builds it's Team Garbo's contract may help them get over that cap min