Speculation: Is this year a buyers market?

[Darren McCord]

Flyers are not a contender lol and they certainly arent Buyers. Borderline playoff team who has to HOPE to NOT get in and win the lottery again - hopefully someone who doesn't get migraines...

Well that adds to things then. If they make the playoffs and aren't buyers it makes less buyer this year.

 

[Darren McCord]

Where "all of the Predators team" = Craig Smith, Mikael Granlund, and if you can manage the contract Kyle Turris.

I think it was a quote from Polie before he fired Lavi. Everyone was available and the coach wasn't getting fired. Obviously that was a lie, so the rest probably was too. And I didnt mean actively shopping but still they are looking for moves.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Toffoli is a UFA.

And Toffoli. Still doesn't seem like there's a buyers market. Maybe if there's a run on guys with term, pending UFA's may get squeezed out in the end, but in order to get the guys with term, team's would have to pony up.

 

[Gaud]

I don't know if Louis Leblanc has much value...

LOL ok so i wasnt the only one that thought that. Is he talking about Labanc?

 

[57special]

I think there might be a few buyers in the West. STL is the top dog, but I don't thing they are some unstoppable juggernaut, and they are a whole lot of other teams that could fool themselves into thinking that they have a chance to advance in the playoffs, especially in the west. With the CA teams being the worst I can remember, it's left things wide open.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Lots of terrible teams and not very many good ones. Very little cap space floating around. Sounds like a buyers market to me.

6 points difference between the #8 and #20 team with Nashville (21) having 3 games in hand to get into the mix. I suspect lots of teams are going to try to buy or simply won’t be sellers/buyers

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I think it was a quote from Polie before he fired Lavi. Everyone was available and the coach wasn't getting fired. Obviously that was a lie, so the rest probably was too. And I didnt mean actively shopping but still they are looking for moves.

I think you have to look at it as "would consider" moves... Poile likes his team (for whatever reason) and is hoping they can pull something out of the fire... but if the coaching changes fails also (which takes 1+ seasons to evaluate) THEN they will look at more changes involving the core.

Meanwhile, it is only the impending UFAs (Granlund + Smith) and Kyle Turris who are actively "available".

 

[Habs Halifax]

Montreal definitely should move Tatar if they get a solid offer (1st + good prospect or 2, like Muzzin last year), but the fact remains that if they don't get that, they don't HAVE to move him. He's not 100% available like Kreider/Pageau/Kovalchuk.

Barring injury, he should still get really good value next year (I don't see him dropping that much in the near future, he just had 2 solid seasons), and if they plan to try to improve next year, he's still their top LW with Drouin. They have no cap problem for next year as well, and I suspect that rental players will be at a premium next year since, with the expansion draft, teams won't want to acquire major pieces with term.

It's not accurate to say guys like Tatar/Saad are available for sure, hence I think it's more a sellers than a buyers market.

Kings have 3 grade B prospects for Muzzin. If the Habs ended up with that for Petry, I'd be very disappointed. If the Habs trade Petry, I would be targeting a Grade A prospect more than the 1st... like the Patch trade.

 

[Gaud]

The haven't been many trades made this year. That usually sets the market value. Hall didn't bring in a massive return either. And there are a lot of big names being floated around:

Toffoli, Tatar, Kovalchuck, Rakell, Fowler, Kapanen, Kreider, Saad, Zucker, Leblanc, Dumba, Pretty all of the predators team. And San Jose seems desperate for a first.

Meanwhile many contenders don't have cap space. Oilers, Vegas, Bruins, Flyers, Caps, Hurricanes, Panthers.

With so many teams selling will prices be low?

What im curious about is what Seattle's arrival means for this year's deadline

 

[Darren McCord]

What im curious about is what Seattle's arrival means for this year's deadline

why isn’t the draft 2021?

 

[Cogburn]

Actually Oilers have cap space. They have two non-roster players eating up $5.5M (soon to be UFAs) in Gagner and Manning that will cost maybe a 3rd to eat at the TDL. It's a team like the Canucks that don't (it will cost $$$ to dump Eriksson and Sutter)

Don't worry about us, we have a few guys that we can save 1.075 million on by burying...and 3.5 on LTIR for Ferland.

But if someone wants a 6 million empty net specialist...

 

[BlueBaron]

OP has suspect choices for "contenders" but it does look like there are a lot of moving parts, some with term. Should be more interesting than usual.

 

[SensFan1010]

Pageau for a 2020 1st

 

[easton117]

Pageau for a 2020 1st

Go home Eugene. Happy hour ended a while ago

 

[Gaud]

why isn’t the draft 2021?

thats why it's interesting to me
some teams will trade away what they could lose next season, while others may hold back for the same reason

 

[xECK29x]

As long as the teams who should be selling are realistic about their situation and the cost, yes it’s a buyers market.

 

[BlueBaron]

Kings have 3 grade B prospects for Muzzin. If the Habs ended up with that for Petry, I'd be very disappointed. If the Habs trade Petry, I would be targeting a Grade A prospect more than the 1st... like the Patch trade.

They got a 1rst round pick, it's not on us how they used it. Last I heard they were happy with Grundstrom.

 

[Habs Halifax]

They got a 1rst round pick, it's not on us how they used it. Last I heard they were happy with Grundstrom.

I get that but it's tracking to be 3 grade B's. So the point is, I want the Grade A prospect trending well more than I want the 1st. I'll take both but it's really rare for GM's to trade both. Grundstrom is 22, not 20. 16 pts in 26 AHL games as a 22 year old is nothing to brag about. He don't suck but he is a grade B prospect that needs to crack the NHL sooner rather than later. Even if Muzzin don't re-sign, I think the Leafs win that trade. Do you think any of the 3 pieces the Kings got turn into top 6 forwards or top 4D at this point? Possible but not the way it's tracking 12 months after the trade.

However if the Habs trade Petry and/or Tatar and we retain 50% for the rest of this year and next? Yeah, we should get both a 1st and Grade A prospect for each them and more! 2nd tier talent like this trending very well for a few seasons now at a $2.5M - $2.75M AAV for two playoffs runs? This would be very valuable to contenders up against the cap.

 

[BlueBaron]

I get that but it's tracking to be 3 grade B's. So the point is, I want the Grade A prospect trending well more than I want the 1st. I'll take both but it's really rare for GM's to trade both. Grundstrom is 22, not 20. 16 pts in 26 AHL games as a 22 year old is nothing to brag about. He don't suck but he is a grade B prospect that needs to crack the NHL sooner rather than later. Even if Muzzin don't re-sign, I think the Leafs win that trade. Do you think any of the 3 pieces the Kings got turn into top 6 forwards or top 4D at this point? Possible but not the way it's tracking 12 months after the trade.

However if the Habs trade Petry and/or Tatar and we retain 50% for the rest of this year and next? Yeah, we should get both a 1st and Grade A prospect for each them and more! 2nd tier talent like this trending very well for a few seasons now at a $2.5M - $2.75M AAV for two playoffs runs? This would be very valuable to contenders up against the cap.

4 points in 9 NHL g games isn't bad. He's going to be an NHLer.

I get you wanting an ideal return for your boy, everyone wants that. More often than not the future pieces in trades crap out and the team getting the real player wins. It all boils down to your scouting staff.

 

[Habs Halifax]

4 points in 9 NHL g games isn't bad. He's going to be an NHLer.

I get you wanting an ideal return for your boy, everyone wants that. More often than not the future pieces in trades crap out and the team getting the real player wins. It all boils down to your scouting staff.

Didn't say he won't be an NHL'er but if he is a bottom 6 forward or 4th line guy... that's disappointing for the Kings. Pretty sure you got my point though on the grade B.

We refused to trade Patch to the Panthers for their 1st back in 2018 cause I believe Bergevin was asking for Borgstrom as well. Bergevin held onto Patch and got Suzuki and a 2nd in the end and lucky with Tatar on how he rebounded.

If any team in our position had assets like Tatar and Petry who had this year and next year in term and on very good value AAV's, you would approach the situation the same. And for the record, Petry is a RD which appears harder to find and trending much better than Muzzin was pre-trade to the Leafs.

I have no doubt Bergevin will be asking for a Grade A prospect as the prime piece.

 

[BlueBaron]

Didn't say he won't be an NHL'er but if he is a bottom 6 forward or 4th line guy... that's disappointing for the Kings. Pretty sure you got my point though on the grade B.

We refused to trade Patch to the Panthers for their 1st back in 2018 cause I believe Bergevin was asking for Borgstrom as well. Bergevin held onto Patch and got Suzuki and a 2nd in the end and lucky with Tatar on how he rebounded.

If any team in our position had assets like Tatar and Petry who had this year and next year in term and on very good value AAV's, you would approach the situation the same. And for the record, Petry is a RD which appears harder to find and trending much better than Muzzin was pre-trade to the Leafs.

I have no doubt Bergevin will be asking for a Grade A prospect as the prime piece.

You don't need to convince me of his value, we just can't afford him. He's a great pick up for any playoff team and will be among the best D available.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You don't need to convince me of his value, we just can't afford him. He's a great pick up for any playoff team and will be among the best D available.

From what fan to another and I do follow the Leafs a bit... Get your GM to stop trading futures away. Guys like Sandin on a ELC/Bridge deals for the next 3-5/6 years is what you need to fill holes. Filling holes in trades when you have no cap space is a horrible plan.

Trading Kadri who was on a value contract and he was trending low was a bad move IMO. Is Barrie and Kerfoot even on your team next year? Who knows but Kadri at $4.5M for two more season after this year is very good value. Why did you just bring back Hainsey for one more year? Made no sense to me.

 

[BlueBaron]

From what fan to another and I do follow the Leafs a bit... Get your GM to stop trading futures away. Guys like Sandin on a ELC/Bridge deals for the next 3-5/6 years is what you need to fill holes. Filling holes in trades when you have no cap space is a horrible plan.

Trading Kadri who was on a value contract and he was trending low was a bad move IMO. Is Barrie and Kerfoot even on your team next year? Who knows but Kadri at $4.5M for two more season after this year is very good value. Why did you just bring back Hainsey for one more year? Made no sense to me.

Heh, I don't want to derail the thread but I agree a year of not trading significant futures needs to happen soon.