Is it time to blow it up?

[MacDonald4MVP]

There's always hope of Isles 2018 off-season turn around when they got better after Tavares departure.

 

[Lindberg]

And the Risto trade is somehow worse than anticipated.

I don't know about that. People here were saying he was terrible.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't know about that. People here were saying he was terrible.

I guess I mean from a physical stand point. I figured he’d actually be a threat from that perspective. But nope.

 

[captainpaxil]

I think it's time to consider what we can broker at the deadline if we are sellers.
G at a point per game could kickstart a rebuild . What playoff team would be interested if we retain at 50%
Does risto get us a return on our investment? What about Braun?
What do brassard and yandle do for a contender?

The assets we consider moving could change the position of this team considerably.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Does anybody know when the next alumni game is?

 

[wankstifier]

Wow, bro. Take a chill pill. Let’s see if Thompson can find that extra gear

 

[Beef Invictus]

Wow, bro. Take a chill pill. Let’s see if Thompson can find that extra gear

Do you really think we can get him out of neutral into 1st?

 

[wankstifier]

Do you really think we can get him out of neutral into 1st?

The metaphor ends there. I’m not some weirdo car dweeb.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Biggest mistakes:

1) Not hiring Trotz
2) Not hiring Sutter

 

[freakydallas13]

They needed to blow it up years ago. Including management.

 

[romulus augustulus]

Its allahu akbar for me dawg.

 

[deadhead]

There isn't that much to blow up.
Yandle, Braun, Brassard, Thompson, Brown, Jones all on one year deals. Braun and Brassard might get you a mid-round pick at the TDL.
Giroux could get you a haul, but that will be his decision, if he wants to stay they'll work something out.

Who else are you going to move?

Risto is 27 and adjusting well to a new role, the only possible replacements are St Ivany and Attard, and unless you're certain you can sign them, and they are NHL talents, you extend Risto at a reasonable price - big functional RHDs are rare as hen's teeth - and makes it much easier to work guys like York, Zamula, Millman and Andrae into the lineup.

Atkinson is hard to trade, even if he puts up 20 goals, and impossible at the TDL.

JVR would be a difficult TDL trade with a full year left at $7M, easier in the summer.

And that's pretty much it, unless you move Sanheim with one year left in a package to land a young 2C.

Hayes will be past his NMC, but until he's healthy you won't get anything with that contract, better off bringing back until you actually have some centers at the NHL level to replace him.

Everyone else is too young to move, unless it's a player for player deal.

 

[DancingPanther]

Stop being so pessimistic. The record speaks for itself!

 

[kudymen]

Stop being so pessimistic. The record speaks for itself!

My words exactly! It's terrible how negative @Striiker is here.

Oh wait

 

[1865]

A broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[BritainStix]

The rumoured available players in the offseason in Hertl and Monahan basically solidifies our 2c problem. Then you have the current mess of JVR on the third line without a playmaker. The defense is an absolute tire fire without a PP specialist. Holding Ghost over Risto solves this. Then you have a glut of "shoot first wingers" that were also rumoured to be available.

This is a horrifically constructed roster. There is 0 identity. But there is actuslly hope.

Couturier - Konecny
Farabee - Hayes - Atkinson
Allison - Frost

Provorov - Ellis
Sanheim
York - Zamula

Hart

Foerester, Brink, Wisdom.

There's a young core there. They just desperately need a coach and a GM that can build around them. The absolute failures of players like Thompson, Yandle, Seeler, JVR and Brown are what kills franchises. We so badly need a trade win it hurts.

Fletcher has to swing for the fences at this point or it's all over for him.

If we blow it up, realistically at the deadline we need a GM like homer to step in and go balls out.

Risto - first round pick ( pleaseee)
Giroux - first + second + prospect
Atkinson - first round pick
Braun - second round pick
JVR - second round pick
Laughton- low First round pick / second rounder

That would be a considerable turnaround in a single season. Nischuskin, Hertl Guranov all free agents this summer.

 

[dats81]

Chuck Fletcher hadn't even started with his turnaround in terms of swiping out the stink that Hextall left until this season.
Too early to tell. I still trust him and Flahr to judge current NHL players and construct a competitive roster. They do more good than bad in my books.

AV is raising levels of concern for sure.
Not just for the system that he has implemented but even more for failing to get the best of younger players like Konecny, Farabee, Provorov, Sanheim... those are considered the pillars to build onto.

We don't even have to talk about Therien and Lappy anymore as everyone agrees that they should have been fired long ago.

 

[AdamParrot]

The rumoured available players in the offseason in Hertl and Monahan basically solidifies our 2c problem. Then you have the current mess of JVR on the third line without a playmaker. The defense is an absolute tire fire without a PP specialist. Holding Ghost over Risto solves this. Then you have a glut of "shoot first wingers" that were also rumoured to be available.

This is a horrifically constructed roster. There is 0 identity. But there is actuslly hope.

Couturier - Konecny
Farabee - Hayes - Atkinson
Allison - Frost

Provorov - Ellis
Sanheim
York - Zamula

Hart

Foerester, Brink, Wisdom.

There's a young core there. They just desperately need a coach and a GM that can build around them. The absolute failures of players like Thompson, Yandle, Seeler, JVR and Brown are what kills franchises. We so badly need a trade win it hurts.

Fletcher has to swing for the fences at this point or it's all over for him.

If we blow it up, realistically at the deadline we need a GM like homer to step in and go balls out.

Risto - first round pick ( pleaseee)
Giroux - first + second + prospect
Atkinson - first round pick
Braun - second round pick
JVR - second round pick
Laughton- low First round pick / second rounder

That would be a considerable turnaround in a single season. Nischuskin, Hertl Guranov all free agents this summer.

Monahan is worse player than Hayes. If he will sign for like $4M, he would be ok for 3C. But I doubt. He will want at leas $5M p/y.

Hertl would be great!

 

[AdamParrot]

I wanted Jack Eichel.

I knew why.

Chuck f***ed it.

 

[Flyer lurker]

You start by firing av and mt head and see if players respond better. IF players don't respond in next 3 months then you have really hard decisions ahead.

Takes a special gm and coach to have cap issues and lack of talent. At least Bergevin in his dopeatude made one playoff run.

 

[Flyer lurker]

I think it's time to consider what we can broker at the deadline if we are sellers.
G at a point per game could kickstart a rebuild . What playoff team would be interested if we retain at 50%
Does risto get us a return on our investment? What about Braun?
What do brassard and yandle do for a contender?

The assets we consider moving could change the position of this team considerably.

G would get a lot
Risto maybe a 1 back, I would look into Letang if I am contender 10 out of 10 over Risto.
Braun 2 mid picks say 3 6
Yandle see Gus trade last year
Brass We traded 4 for Grant. Would we really get that much more?

 

[Magua]

A good coach still can get a lot out of this group. They're not poor in NHL talent or prospects, even if they do need 1-2 to exceed expectations. Much worse teams have cohesive schemes inflating marginal talent. I don't think it's enough to contend, but we're so desperate for anything resembling competent progress.

Flyers management doesn't really take bold risks. Sure, they take risks but usually on 30+ year olds off injury. Or bloated UFA deals. They don't win in the margins and they don't get much return on investment and they aren't on the cutting edge of anything. Oh, and that good coach? What makes anyone think that's even in the cards? Just as likely we're to see doubling down and blowing more assets.

This is what my brain is like on Flyers:

 

[Flyer lurker]

The rumoured available players in the offseason in Hertl and Monahan basically solidifies our 2c problem. Then you have the current mess of JVR on the third line without a playmaker. The defense is an absolute tire fire without a PP specialist. Holding Ghost over Risto solves this. Then you have a glut of "shoot first wingers" that were also rumoured to be available.

This is a horrifically constructed roster. There is 0 identity. But there is actuslly hope.

Couturier - Konecny
Farabee - Hayes - Atkinson
Allison - Frost

Provorov - Ellis
Sanheim
York - Zamula

Hart

Foerester, Brink, Wisdom.

There's a young core there. They just desperately need a coach and a GM that can build around them. The absolute failures of players like Thompson, Yandle, Seeler, JVR and Brown are what kills franchises. We so badly need a trade win it hurts.

Fletcher has to swing for the fences at this point or it's all over for him.

If we blow it up, realistically at the deadline we need a GM like homer to step in and go balls out.

Risto - first round pick ( pleaseee)
Giroux - first + second + prospect
Atkinson - first round pick
Braun - second round pick
JVR - second round pick
Laughton- low First round pick / second rounder

That would be a considerable turnaround in a single season. Nischuskin, Hertl Guranov all free agents this summer.

risto agreed
G agreed
No shot of trading Cam's deal you are stuck for 3 more years
Braun more like 3, 6 instead of 2 in a talented draft. Dillon for example got 2 in past deadline deal and he is superior to Braun.
JVR BWAHAHAHAHAHA you have to give up a protected 1 to get him off the roster based on this year's play. He will get bought out/retained 50% eoy.
Laughton 1? Put on your Styx album and start playing come sail away. That ship is sailed.

Other gm's are not Fletcher. They see the lack of talent.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Bear in mind we just blew it up in the offseason. This team was Fletcher's big all-in blast.

I think we've seen enough to know he shouldn't be allowed to do anything else drastic.

 

[Chinatown88]

Bear in mind we just blew it up in the offseason. This team was Fletcher's big all-in blast.

I think we've seen enough to know he shouldn't be allowed to do anything else drastic.