Regarding the underlined, my biggest issue with that isn't even that he won the Hart - it's that he won the Hart over Howe who beat the field by 14 points, or Kelly who had 49 points in 62 games.I know playing in the All-Star game is big whoop in the grand scheme of things, but even so, who remember that Maple Leafs' defenceman Bob Manno (1 season with the Leafs) played in the NHL All-Star game in 1981-82? Now, in fairness, he had 50 points and was +5 on a bad team, but he was only sixth on the Leafs in team scoring (at season's end) and among D-men was behind Salming. The very next season, he left the NHL to play in Italy (he was Italian-Canadian, or maybe now only Italian), then came back from 1983-1985, and then was out of the NHL for good by age 28.
Regarding major award winners, one that gets mentioned a lot is goaltender Al Rollins, of the Black Hawks, winning the Hart for 1953-54. Rollins's record that season was 12 wins, 47 losses, and 12 ties. He surrendered far more goals than any other goaltender in the NHL (yet was only 5th in minutes played). Of goalies who played three games or more, he was dead-last in goals-against average. His team missed the playoffs, and finished last overall. And he won the Hart.
Sergei Makarov had a great first season in the NHL in 1989-90, but his winning the Calder was quite the joke. Makarov was 31 when the season started, and of course had had a decorated career as probably the best forward on the world's best international team (if not team, period) from 1978 on. The NHL decided he and other elite ex-Soviet veterans were rookies... but 10 years earlier had decided that Gretzky, Messier, Gartner et al. who were 18 or 19 and had played 1 season in the WHA were not rookies and thus were ineligible to win the Calder.
Frankly, I get why that didn't go to a forward. It was only the second sub-100 points Art Ross season since expansion (and the first time it happened the Hart went to a Defenseman) - so it wasn't going to a forward most likely. Lidstrom won the Norris with only 50 points and a partner who also finished highly in Norris voting in Chelios (in fact, Chelios only had one fewer 1st place vote than Lidstrom).The OP specified "nominations" and not only winners... I seem to be banging on about Eric Lindros lately, and I'm not even his fan particularly, but I wonder if voters for 1992-93 would still maintain that both Joe Juneau (then age 25) and Felix Potvin were better rookies. I know Lindros played only 61 games, which probably cost him 2nd place to Selanne, but still... Ah well, it was a great season for rookies.
Jose Theodore in 2001-02. Did he have an awesome season? Yes. Did he deserve to be a 2nd-team All Star and win the Vezina? Sure, I guess. But did voters have to also award him the Hart? A little bit overkill, I think. There seemed to be this massive media/fan love-affair with Theodore that season. Know how many goalies have won the Hart and Vezina in the same season? 4 in history, and two of them (Plante and Hasek) are legends of the game (the other is Carey Price, but at least he had a great won-lost record and was also voted the Pearson by his peers). Anyway, I think just the Vezina would have been enough for Theodore.
That's one of those ones where votes were split between two guys (one in the East, one West) fairly equally. If MacKinnon hadn't missed 8 games to injury, he definitely wins that Hart. I know an 8th-seed team doesn't seem that impressive, but considering that Jersey was 27 points improved from the season prior, it was an excellent showing.Taylor Hall won the 2018 MVP because..... he got his team to an 8th seed?
I agree. I've always said that was a weird one. I was following that team, every game, that season and Fuhr didn't even have one of his better seasons, let alone being more valuable to his team than Gretzky! He was only hugely valuable in the sense that Edmonton no longer had a back-up goalie worth anything, so Fuhr had to play all the games.Off the top of my head, Fuhr finishing second in Hart voting in 1988 is very odd, both in terms of level of play and value to the team.
I understand that they improved points wise in the standings as a team, but I had 4 candidates ahead of him who were all better production wise and higher in the standings. If the Oilers made the playoffs, CM would’ve won.That's one of those ones where votes were split between two guys (one in the East, one West) fairly equally. If MacKinnon hadn't missed 8 games to injury, he definitely wins that Hart. I know an 8th-seed team doesn't seem that impressive, but considering that Jersey was 27 points improved from the season prior, it was an excellent showing.
Taylor Hall won the 2018 MVP because..... he got his team to an 8th seed?
The issue with the league at that point was simply the league was shallow as hell with the WHA and few Euros/Americans.The performances weren't poor per say but consisted of surprisingly low number of games: Orr winning the Norris in 67/68 with only 46 games played out of 74 and Brad Park was nominated for the Norris twice whilst playing 52 out 78 games and 56 out of 80 games on those two occasions.
Safe to say that would never happen today.
The issue with the league at that point was simply the league was shallow as hell with the WHA and few Euros/Americans.
1998-99 | NHL | Dominik Hasek | 34 | BUF | G | 30 | 18 | 14 | 1.87 | .937 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 16.8 | 16.8 |
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1997-98 | NHL | Dominik Hasek | 33 | BUF | G | 33 | 23 | 13 | 2.09 | .932 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 18.6 | 18.6 |
1996-97 | NHL | Dominik Hasek | 32 | BUF | G | 37 | 20 | 10 | 2.27 | .930 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 17.2 | 17.2 |
1995-96 | NHL | Jim Carey | 21 | WSH | G | 35 | 24 | 9 | 2.26 | .906 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 9.9 | 9.9 |
1994-95 | NHL | Dominik Hasek | 30 | BUF | G | 19 | 14 | 7 | 2.11 | .930 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 10.3 | 10.3 |
1993-94 | NHL | Dominik Hasek | 29 | BUF | G | 30 | 20 | 6 | 1.95 | .930 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 13.1 | 13.1 |
1. | Dominik Hasek* • BUF | 43 |
2. | Daren Puppa • TBL | 32 |
3. | Guy Hebert • MDA | 28 |
4. | Martin Brodeur* • NJD | 25 |
5. | Felix Potvin • TOR | 25 |
6. | Ron Hextall • PHI | 19 |
7. | Patrick Roy* • 2TM | 18 |
8. | Mike Richter • NYR | 17 |
9. | Sean Burke • HAR | 17 |
10. | Jeff Hackett • CHI | 16 |
1. | Dominik Hasek* • BUF | 14.8 |
2. | Felix Potvin • TOR | 13.8 |
3. | Martin Brodeur* • NJD | 12.8 |
4. | Grant Fuhr* • STL | 12.5 |
5. | Sean Burke • HAR | 12.5 |
6. | Guy Hebert • MDA | 12.3 |
7. | Daren Puppa • TBL | 11.6 |
8. | Patrick Roy* • 2TM | 11.3 |
9. | Nikolai Khabibulin • WIN | 10.4 |
10. | Jim Carey • WSH | 9.9 |
Jim Carey winning over Hasek/Brodeur/Puppa seem a strange choice and a case of overvaluing strange metric the nhl keep track like shutout:
NHL Vezina Trophy Winners | Hockey-Reference.com
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1998-99 NHL Dominik Hasek 34 BUF G 30 18 14 1.87 .937 0.0 0.0 16.8 16.8 1997-98 NHL Dominik Hasek 33 BUF G 33 23 13 2.09 .932 0.0 0.0 18.6 18.6 1996-97 NHL Dominik Hasek 32 BUF G 37 20 10 2.27 .930 0.0 0.0 17.2 17.2 1995-96 NHL Jim Carey 21 WSH G 35 24 9 2.26 .906 0.0 0.0 9.9 9.9 1994-95 NHL Dominik Hasek 30 BUF G 19 14 7 2.11 .930 0.0 0.0 10.3 10.3 1993-94 NHL Dominik Hasek 29 BUF G 30 20 6 1.95 .930 0.0 0.0 13.1 13.1
Goals Saved Above Average
Goalie Point Shares[TBODY] [/TBODY]
1. Dominik Hasek* • BUF 43 2. Daren Puppa • TBL 32 3. Guy Hebert • MDA 28 4. Martin Brodeur* • NJD 25 5. Felix Potvin • TOR 25 6. Ron Hextall • PHI 19 7. Patrick Roy* • 2TM 18 8. Mike Richter • NYR 17 9. Sean Burke • HAR 17 10. Jeff Hackett • CHI 16
Feel like a bit of we have a chance to not give it to Hasek like it seem to have happened to Gretzky.[TBODY] [/TBODY]
1. Dominik Hasek* • BUF 14.8 2. Felix Potvin • TOR 13.8 3. Martin Brodeur* • NJD 12.8 4. Grant Fuhr* • STL 12.5 5. Sean Burke • HAR 12.5 6. Guy Hebert • MDA 12.3 7. Daren Puppa • TBL 11.6 8. Patrick Roy* • 2TM 11.3 9. Nikolai Khabibulin • WIN 10.4 10. Jim Carey • WSH 9.9
They don’t give Vezinas to goalies who miss the playoffs (since 1982, only Bobrovsky in a shortened 2013 has done so).
I just can't get bent out of shape over AS game selections. Maybe Ferraro didn't want to play in the game? Brunette had a nagging injury or a sick kid? Who knows.Petr Buzek was an all-star in 2000. He was a defenseman who scored 19 points, playing about 18.5 minutes per game. He was on the ice for about 3.6 goals against per 60 minutes at ES (a terrible number for 2000, though that was roughly in line with his team's average). Buzek played 157 games in his career, never in the playoffs, and was out of the NHL at 25 after playing 14.5 minutes per game on the pre-Kiprusoff, non-playoff 2003 Calgary Flames.
I'm pretty sure the NHL required each team (in this case, the expansion Atlanta Thrashers) to have one nominee for the all-star game, but even then, Buzek was an odd choice. Why not pick respected veteran Ray Ferraro (who was 35 years old that season, was an all-star once back in 1992, and put up decent numbers) or Andrew Brunette (26 years old, never an all-star, and who was 22nd in scoring and "only" a -4 as of December 27th, which was remarkable given his dismal team)?
Not that Buzek was a good choice or anything, but he was on something like a 30 point pace by mid season, and then fell off after that. And he was constantly missing time. Sometimes, like his all star season or his two seasons in Calgary, is was just the thousand cuts variety that killed any momentum his career could have had. Then there were the bad ones - a car accident in his D+1 season, and a neck injury in his follow up season for the Thrashers, that wiped out years his career. I wouldn’t go wild speculating on what Buzek should have been, but “something” isn’t too much to guess I don’t think.Petr Buzek was an all-star in 2000. He was a defenseman who scored 19 points, playing about 18.5 minutes per game. He was on the ice for about 3.6 goals against per 60 minutes at ES (a terrible number for 2000, though that was roughly in line with his team's average). Buzek played 157 games in his career, never in the playoffs, and was out of the NHL at 25 after playing 14.5 minutes per game on the pre-Kiprusoff, non-playoff 2003 Calgary Flames.
I'm pretty sure the NHL required each team (in this case, the expansion Atlanta Thrashers) to have one nominee for the all-star game, but even then, Buzek was an odd choice. Why not pick respected veteran Ray Ferraro (who was 35 years old that season, was an all-star once back in 1992, and put up decent numbers) or Andrew Brunette (26 years old, never an all-star, and who was 22nd in scoring and "only" a -4 as of December 27th, which was remarkable given his dismal team)?