Don't give him Duchene money($6m), but we're okay with Landy money($5.571m).
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Fixed. Duchene should be the internal salary max until somebody proves they are better/more valuable to the team. MacKinnon is the only player who I think really has that potential right now.
Duchene isn't making "Duchene Money". He chose to take a discount. Doesn't mean everyone needs to follow suit. Paying ROR $6M, on a long term contract, shouldn't hurt us.
Duchene isn't making "Duchene Money". He chose to take a discount. Doesn't mean everyone needs to follow suit. Paying ROR $6M, on a long term contract, shouldn't hurt us.
So we are ok paying 7 million for old expensive defensemen that would marginally upgrade the defense but not 6 million to young a core top 6 forward. The core is not the place to get cheap. (before anyone yells at me, I know Phaneuf would probably have been worth it but someone like Campbell, that's not the best use of assets if we are clutching the purse strings)
If Ryan would sign today for 6 and we wouldn't have to worry about this for the next 6+ months don't tell me a majority of y'all wouldn't take it.
There are other players around the same level as Duchene that took the $6m. For a young RFA that is on the edge of stardom, that is the going rate.
It wouldn't hurt the Avs, they can easily afford it. It is about the combination ROR not being worth $6m at this point, and the fact that he is not worth more than Duchene. ROR has never score more than 55 points. He might surpass that right now, but his pace is only 57. He has never scored more than 18 goals in a season (he will surpass that this year IMO).
People saying that ROR is worth $6m are saying he is valued the same as Couture, Hall, Sharp, etc. And more than Seguin, Richards, Brown, Landeskog, etc. I am fine with overpaying to keep him (as I said in the last thread up to 5.9), but as much as Duchene should not happen.
This is the type of thinking that led to the O'Reilly holdout in the first place.
Matt Duchene, at 6M is still a nice deal because of what he DOES bring to the table in terms of him as a player (offensively) and because of what he means already to the Avalanche. He very well could've gotten 6.5M and it still would've been fair in my opinion.
At 6M (or slightly below to placate some folks) O'Reilly should be signed long term...as has been pointed out at some point, with the Cap going up, someone will make more than Duchene, likely a Free Agent if we decide to dip-in in a big way.
Whatever about Duchene's contract, you also have to realize that our Captain who holds less value than Duchene but more than O'Reilly signed long term for even less.
O'Reilly's contract shouldn't be in the middle of Duchene and Landeskog. He should be slightly below or equal to Landy.
Salary cap will be higher,so will be the salaries. Most of these guys will end up being bargains for their teams.
So if ROR wants a raise from his 6.5m salary, and wants to be paid $7m for 5+ years... are you okay with signing that deal?
That line of thinking sets a dangerous precedent. It says that if you are the 4th best player on the team you can demand more money than the star. Then when the top 3 players contracts are up, they will demand more money than the other player to get the structure in line. It can be very inflationary. Now the Avs could withstand it for a while, but at some point in the near future the Avs will be spending to the cap again and won't be able to afford it.
So if ROR wants a raise from his 6.5m salary, and wants to be paid $7m for 5+ years... are you okay with signing that deal?
That line of thinking sets a dangerous precedent. It says that if you are the 4th best player on the team you can demand more money than the star. Then when the top 3 players contracts are up, they will demand more money than the other player to get the structure in line. It can be very inflationary. Now the Avs could withstand it for a while, but at some point in the near future the Avs will be spending to the cap again and won't be able to afford it.
You start your post off with a ridiculous assumption and then say that type of thinking sets a dangerous precedent. Are we purposely clutching at straws here or what?
How is that a ridiculous assumption? He makes 6.5m this year, and has shown in the past he is willing to hold out for more money. There is nothing stopping him from doing the same. Paying ROR more than Duchene would be a mistake. It wouldn't endanger the organization or their future success (at least in the near future), but would still be a mistake.
If Oilers all of a sudden made their entire team available, who would we want at realistic prices?
True. Landy won Calder as a rookie so he should be pretty highly rated and paid. ROR was our best player couple years ago though. I think similar deal to Landeskog is fair imo.
How is that a ridiculous assumption? He makes 6.5m this year, and has shown in the past he is willing to hold out for more money. There is nothing stopping him from doing the same. Paying ROR more than Duchene would be a mistake. It wouldn't endanger the organization or their future success (at least in the near future), but would still be a mistake.
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