Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) LXII

[Freudian]

MacK will be the first one to break the structure if he lives up to his potential. Towes and Kane are elite players, and get paid like elite players.

The structure will be irrelevant when EJ and MacKinnon are re-signed. It's just a question of how much damage it can do until then.

 

[InjuredChoker]

He certainly have value, but their inability to take back any significant cap hit hurts them a lot.

yeah, it's possible. unless they trade him for rental (and maybe something else) this season.

 

[henchman21]

The structure will be irrelevant when EJ and MacKinnon are re-signed. It's just a question of how much damage it can do until then.

None if ROR is reasonable...

 

[InjuredChoker]

None if ROR is reasonable...

or avs. we don't know what they are willing to offer.

 

[Freudian]

None if ROR is reasonable...

He most likely won't be $6M/year reasonable on a long term deal. So is it worth letting two of the three great two way forwards on the team walk in one summer over a structure that's already obsolete?

 

[hockeyfish]

yeah, it's possible. unless they trade him for rental (and maybe something else) this season.

Problem is, again, they can't get any real cap hit back. If I had to make an educated guess where and for what he will be traded (kind of if, but he makes the most sense), Pitt for Despres and a 1st makes the most sense.

 

[henchman21]

or avs. we don't know what they are willing to offer.

We have an idea though... 5.5-6.0m at least in that range based on what they have talked about on the structure and what Varly, Duchene, and Landy have all signed for. Which is reasonable for ROR and very comparable around the league.

He most likely won't be $6M/year reasonable on a long term deal. So is it worth letting two of the three great two way forwards on the team walk in one summer over a structure that's already obsolete?

It really isn't. ROR is a RFA whether he likes that or not. Totally different market than UFAs.

 

[tigervixxxen]

He most likely won't be $6M/year reasonable on a long term deal. So is it worth letting two of the three great two way forwards on the team walk in one summer over a structure that's already obsolete?

I did the math on the O'Reilly thread, they can't pay much more than 6. It's not an artificial limit.

 

[Freudian]

I did the math on the O'Reilly thread, they can't pay much more than 6. It's not an artificial limit.

They could pay O'Reilly $7M and still fit him and Barrie in on the roster. You don't let O'Reilly walk over a few hundred thousand dollars just to keep Ryan Wilson as the ninth defender on the roster.

 

[Former Ladder]

I find it surprising people are putting EJ up to break the $6M structure. He is a great defenseman but has yet to prove elite. He is part of our core but I would be surprised if he makes more than $5.5 AAV on his next deal and that is being generous.

 

[hockeyfish]

I find it surprising people are putting EJ up to break the $6M structure. He is a great defenseman but has yet to prove elite. He is part of our core but I would be surprised if he makes more than $5.5 AAV on his next deal and that is being generous.

Considering he is twice the defender than anyone on free agency, and many of them got that much, you wrong.

 

[S E P H]

I don't believe the Gio+Baertschi+2015 rumour, but I think that would be a really good haul for an un-sign RFA O'Reilly.

I value Gio more than Ehrhoff, easily the best defenseman the Avs could acquire.
Baertschi would look much better in our offensive core than the Flames.
And a potential top 5-7 pick in the 2015 draft, which is mega deep for the likes of Hanifin, Barzal, or even Kylington.

Personally I think the best move is to RE-sign him, but that would be a good trade. Especially if all we gave up was Elliott or Siemens.

 

[Former Ladder]

Considering he is twice the defender than anyone on free agency, and many of them got that much, you wrong.

If EJ is really looking at market value and to bolt to a team with bigger defensive issues than ours, yes. On our team, if he proves next year that he can keep taking steps forward, maybe he can land a Landy sized contract. I think that is about max though.

 

[Foppa2118]

Yea unless EJ finishes with another couple huge seasons. Like in the 50 points with great D, and good playoff performances, I think he'll garner the same $5.5-6M the rest are getting.

In fact, I bet that's what he signs for next summer a year early. The Avs seem to like doing this, and I think it's really smart. They avoid the contract year bumping up salary demands, and the players seem to find it in their best interest to just get a deal done early too.

They seem to find the sweet spot number wise for where it just makes enough sense to forego possibly getting more by waiting a year, but still being a solid deal for the Avs. In fact, it seems like these year early deals are actually closer to the true value of the player.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I find it surprising people are putting EJ up to break the $6M structure. He is a great defenseman but has yet to prove elite. He is part of our core but I would be surprised if he makes more than $5.5 AAV on his next deal and that is being generous.

Well if he makes it to UFA, expect him to get at least Phaneuf money. Start with 7 mil and 5+ years. (Assuming EJ keeps playing like he played last season for next 2 seasons.. He will paid A LOT.)

 

[CB Joe]

I find it surprising people are putting EJ up to break the $6M structure. He is a great defenseman but has yet to prove elite. He is part of our core but I would be surprised if he makes more than $5.5 AAV on his next deal and that is being generous.

I agree.

 

[CB Joe]

I don't believe the Gio+Baertschi+2015 rumour, but I think that would be a really good haul for an un-sign RFA O'Reilly.

I value Gio more than Ehrhoff, easily the best defenseman the Avs could acquire.
Baertschi would look much better in our offensive core than the Flames.
And a potential top 5-7 pick in the 2015 draft, which is mega deep for the likes of Hanifin, Barzal, or even Kylington.

Personally I think the best move is to RE-sign him, but that would be a good trade. Especially if all we gave up was Elliott or Siemens.

And that might be high, I could easily see the Flames as a bottom 5 team.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

I don't believe the Gio+Baertschi+2015 rumour, but I think that would be a really good haul for an un-sign RFA O'Reilly.

Is that a real rumor? Because that would be fantastic value.

 

[hockeyfish]

Is that a real rumor? Because that would be fantastic value.

Not really, just randomly posed in the trade board.

 

[Freudian]

Is that a real rumor? Because that would be fantastic value.

Flames aren't going to trade their first round pick next year.

 

[CB Joe]

Flames aren't going to trade their first round pick next year.

Burke does have a significant role with the Flames.

 

[hockeyfish]

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