If Trouba stays, can we trade Buff?

[Mortimer Snerd]

2 weeks I'm pretty sure. Here is his list

DATE	DESCRIPTION	STATUS
04/06/2018	Undisclosed Injury	Day-To-Day
03/19/2018	Concussion	Day-To-Day
01/26/2018	Ankle	Day-To-Day
03/13/2017	Knee	Day-To-Day
03/05/2016	Upper-Body Injury	Day-To-Day
12/16/2014	Upper-Body Inhjury	Day-To-Day
12/14/2014	Upper-Body Injury	IR
10/19/2013	Upper-Body Injury	IR

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Last year he missed the first 20 games due to holdout, IIRC. He played 60 games. That leaves 2 to injury. You list the UBI in Dec, 14 twice. There is no current injury AFAIK. The last I heard he was OK. They were going to decide today whether or not to sit him for this game as a precautionary measure.

This has been a rough year for him. He has missed 26 games to 2 injuries, the ankle and a concussion. That still does not = injury prone.

Zack Bogosian is injury prone. He has missed; 63 games this year, 26 last year, 18 the year before, 20 the year before that, 27, 15 (short season), 17, 11 and 1 over 9 consecutive seasons. The 8 seasons since 2010 he has missed a total of 197 games.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I believe after this years playoffs, trading Buff will not be a solution anyone will be suggesting. His physicality in a 7 game series will be noticeable and highly influential on our success.

I expect him to play at an all time high, in terms of nastiness, should we collide with the Preds in a second round.

 

[DRW204]

Last year he missed the first 20 games due to holdout, IIRC. He played 60 games. That leaves 2 to injury. You list the UBI in Dec, 14 twice. There is no current injury AFAIK. The last I heard he was OK. They were going to decide today whether or not to sit him for this game as a precautionary measure.

This has been a rough year for him. He has missed 26 games to 2 injuries, the ankle and a concussion. That still does not = injury prone.

Zack Bogosian is injury prone. He has missed; 63 games this year, 26 last year, 18 the year before, 20 the year before that, 27, 15 (short season), 17, 11 and 1 over 9 consecutive seasons. The 8 seasons since 2010 he has missed a total of 197 games.

The holdout costed him 15 games last year man not 20. and he's out tonight for precautionary reasons after getting hurt in practice. the Dec 2014 Injuries was initially DTD but then IR i think that's why it is on there twice

Jacob Trouba (ankle) is expected to be ready for the start of the playoffs.
Trouba won't play in Saturday's game against the Blackhawks because he tweaked a pre-existing ankle injury. The 24-year-old will finish the regular season with three goals and 24 points in 55 games. Tucker Poolman will take his spot in the lineup on Saturday night. Apr 7 - 10:52 AM
Source: Winnipeg Free Press

of course compared to Bogosian he's not injury prone, heck Brian Little is not injury prone compared to Bogo either lol

Edit - FWIW i never said he was injury prone or not. he has sat for multiple games due to injury every year except one though. 69 games over 5 years (excluding the holdout) lost due to injury

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The holdout costed him 15 games last year man not 20. and he's out tonight for precautionary reasons after getting hurt in practice. the Dec 2014 Injuries was initially DTD but then IR i think that's why it is on there twice

Jacob Trouba (ankle) is expected to be ready for the start of the playoffs.
Trouba won't play in Saturday's game against the Blackhawks because he tweaked a pre-existing ankle injury. The 24-year-old will finish the regular season with three goals and 24 points in 55 games. Tucker Poolman will take his spot in the lineup on Saturday night. Apr 7 - 10:52 AM
Source: Winnipeg Free Press

of course compared to Bogosian he's not injury prone, heck Brian Little is not injury prone compared to Bogo either lol

Edit - FWIW i never said he was injury prone or not. he has sat for multiple games due to injury every year except one though. 69 games over 5 years (excluding the holdout) lost due to injury

OK, so he missed 7 games last year and 27 this year. I still think some people are making far too much out of this bad year. It takes more than the injuries he has had to earn the label of injury prone. 14 games/year missed due to injury is probably a little more than the average but he might play the next 3 years injury free. I don't see an established pattern here yet.

 

[LowLefty]

Hopefully Buff will want to leave the game when he's still good instead of dragging on to make every last buck.

I agree and this is key -

IMO, Buff may not be committed enough to the fitness side of the game - he's a very heavy guy that will hopefully get away with carrying that weight up and down the ice for a few more years - but I also see his speed, durability, and endurance falling off a cliff not too far down the road.

So, does Buff get serious on fitness or take the millions and go fishing? Who knows - remember, we're talking about Buff here.

 

[Ducky10]

He is lazy. He is also such an amazing player it doesn't matter if keep him. It's not even about laziness it's optics. Why should we know whose first on last off. None of my biz. What I can see is he's producing.

No he isn't, it's beyond absurd.

 

[Adam da bomb]

No he isn't, it's beyond absurd.

What do you call being first off last on? Dedication to your craft? Leadership? I've already said it doesn't matter because he produces but it's definitely not showing the same commitment as the guy who is putting in extra hours. If you were a coach, a business owner, a teacher would you be happy if everyone showed up at exactly the time you wanted them to start and were counting down the minutes till they could go. They never put any of their own time working on their weaknesses (we all have weaknesses). I'd probably have a sit down with them where else do they have to be? What is more important than doing your job? Then there is the fact that he has been known over his career to come to camp not in game fitness level so the team has to focus on conditioning instead of whatever new thing you want to teach them.

 

[Duke749]

He is lazy. He is also such an amazing player it doesn't matter if keep him. It's not even about laziness it's optics. Why should we know whose first on last off. None of my biz. What I can see is he's producing.

And this narrative is lazy

 

[nobody important]

I don't blame him I'm lazy when it comes to my job too.

You should be traded to another company.

 

[Adam da bomb]

You should be traded to another company.

And Buff shouldn't? What if I am making my company a lot of money every second I work?

And this narrative is lazy

Duke what new stuff have you brought to the board lately that no one else has thought of?

 

[Channelcat]

Whatever the Jets do, we aren't going to like it and Chevy won't like it. Might as well not even worry about it for now.

 

[Duke749]

And Buff shouldn't? What if I am making my company a lot of money every second I work?

Duke what new stuff have you brought to the board lately that no one else has thought of?

What do my posts have to do with your lazy narrative exactly?

 

[Adam da bomb]

What do my posts have to do with your lazy narrative exactly?

That you are accusing someone of a lazy narrative and I don't see you putting out interesting narratives.

 

[Duke749]

That you are accusing someone of a lazy narrative and I don't see you putting out interesting narratives.

Why put out a “narrative” though?

 

[Ducky10]

What do you call being first off last on? Dedication to your craft? Leadership? I've already said it doesn't matter because he produces but it's definitely not showing the same commitment as the guy who is putting in extra hours. If you were a coach, a business owner, a teacher would you be happy if everyone showed up at exactly the time you wanted them to start and were counting down the minutes till they could go. They never put any of their own time working on their weaknesses (we all have weaknesses). I'd probably have a sit down with them where else do they have to be? What is more important than doing your job? Then there is the fact that he has been known over his career to come to camp not in game fitness level so the team has to focus on conditioning instead of whatever new thing you want to teach them.

None of this obvious perception bias makes him any lazier than you think he is.

To think a guy who plays amongst the highest minutes in the whole league is lazy.......mind boggling.

 

[DRW204]

None of this obvious perception bias makes him any lazier than you think he is.

To think a guy who plays amongst the highest minutes in the whole league is lazy.......mind boggling.

Agreed .Just to add, he took Morrissey under his wing in his rookie year on the ice.. there was a Maurice interview during the summer I beleive where he mentions that Buff was the first to pipe up and did alot for JoMo and was singing his praises. I expect the same, if it hasn't already happened with his recent call up, with Niku.

 

[JetsUK]

Agreed .Just to add, he took Morrissey under his wing in his rookie year on the ice.. there was a Maurice interview during the summer I beleive where he mentions that Buff was the first to pipe up and did alot for JoMo and was singing his praises. I expect the same, if it hasn't already happened with his recent call up, with Niku.

I'd also note that Buff is definitely NOT a last on/first off guy at team practices. He goes hard, lots of chatter, often taking extra shooting at the end. No one his size (and age) logs those minutes while coasting, whatever his raw abilities. And Buff's adjusting his game over the course of the season demonstrates, IMO, a team-first attitude and the capacity to learn new tricks.

Don't get the Fat Buff/Lazy Buff narratives at all, especially over recent seasons.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Buff is a legit NHL superstar who signed here for 5 years when he literally could have picked anywhere to go play .He picked Winnipeg. He loves it here.. His wife loves it here.. They are both small town people.. Buff stays and retires a Jet.

 

[Guffman]

My guess is that Trouba will be the one that is traded. Very good, young player but he doesn’t seem like a team guy (unlike Myers and Buff, who are actually team leaders).

Fortunately, Trouba should have good trade value.

 

[Adam da bomb]

My guess is that Trouba will be the one that is traded. Very good, young player but he doesn’t seem like a team guy (unlike Myers and Buff, who are actually team leaders).

Fortunately, Trouba should have good trade value.

If we trade Trouba I don't know when we will get a chance at another young #1-2 D. We definitely will not be drafting in the top 10 again, unless, we get a pick that high as part of the package back for him.

 

[mcpw]

Lazy Buff and Trouba not a team guy. HFJets takes can melt steel beams.

 

[Guffman]

If we trade Trouba I don't know when we will get a chance at another young #1-2 D. We definitely will not be drafting in the top 10 again, unless, we get a pick that high as part of the package back for him.

It depends if Trouba really wants to be here without being bribed with an overpay. We’ll see...though I am not confident he’s staying.

 

[Adam da bomb]

It depends if Trouba really wants to be here without being bribed with an overpay. We’ll see...though I am not confident he’s staying.

Okay fine. But, how do we replace him?

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Okay fine. But, how do we replace him?

We have done pretty good without him for the month or so of games hes missed

 

[BigZ65]

What do you call being first off last on? Dedication to your craft? Leadership? I've already said it doesn't matter because he produces but it's definitely not showing the same commitment as the guy who is putting in extra hours. If you were a coach, a business owner, a teacher would you be happy if everyone showed up at exactly the time you wanted them to start and were counting down the minutes till they could go. They never put any of their own time working on their weaknesses (we all have weaknesses). I'd probably have a sit down with them where else do they have to be? What is more important than doing your job? Then there is the fact that he has been known over his career to come to camp not in game fitness level so the team has to focus on conditioning instead of whatever new thing you want to teach them.

What the hell are you even talking about?