If Ovechkin Wins His Eighth Rocket Richard Trophy, Will He Be The GOAT Goal Scorer?

[GlitchMarner]

He has a seven goal in the RR race. Will an eighth Richard trophy make him the GOAT goal scorer?

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[Hippasus]

Assuming it's another 50 goal season, I think so, since he's also had a pretty good playoff record in regards to goal scoring. Howe might be close but would probably be behind in career value if Ovechkin were to win an eighth Rocket.

 

[Machinehead]

That ship has sailed

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

already is. the only question is how much of a lead he'll create for himself

 

[Brucelenok]

Already is. 8th rocket and another 50+ goal season is just icing on the cake

 

[ChaoticOrange]

As others have said, the ‘is he the greatest goal scorer’ question has already been answered. Yes.

 

[The Red Line]

Yup he's already got it. Its pretty much a 50/50 as to weather or not he beats Gretzky's record, but he's already proven he's the GOAT goalscorer.

 

[22FUTON9]

Yup he's already got it. Its pretty much a 50/50 as to weather or not he beats Gretzky's record, but he's already proven he's the GOAT goalscorer.

I think it’s more like a 20:80 all things considered but Ovis already the goat

 

[Eternal Leaf]

He's already GOAT in scoring.

Another Rocket is just icing on the cake of a prolific career.

 

[psycat]

I would vote for "he arguably already is and a eight Rocket won't make much difference". I mean if we look at purely goalscoring I believe his case is already very strong, that said if someone like Lemieux or Gretzky(The usual suspects) focused more on goalscoring and sacrificed a bit of their playmaking I wouldn't be so sure. An eight Rocket would however, in my eyes, make him the most accomplished goalscorer of all time.

I also believe his competition in the latter years is not all that great so his number of actual Rockets might have been lower in another era but as I said that doesn't take away from his capacity.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Already is.

 

[Beukeboom]

I would vote for "he arguably already is and a eight Rocket won't make much difference". I mean if we look at purely goalscoring I believe his case is already very strong, that said if someone like Lemieux or Gretzky focused more on goalscoring and sacrificed a bit of their playmaking I wouldn't be so sure.

I also believe his competition in the latter years is not all that great so his number of actual Rockets might have been lower in another era but as I said that doesn't take away from his capacity.

Pretty much. I was not completely aboard the train, but last seasons victory (following the 35 goal year) and another one this season might settle it. I would like for him to reach around Gordie's total however. So 800.

In regards to the bold text, that is something along the lines of what I think. Gretzky scored 92 goals (212points) when Kurri and Lumely were 80 point getters and no good goal scores. He pretty much had to do it himself. Once Kurri got better Gretzky turned in to his more preferred playmaking position. So for example "Only" 52 goals along with his 215 point season.

In Lemieux's case I hate the what ifs. But to be fair. IF he had not been injured as much, his goal totals would be more extreme and he would be considered as better than Ovechkin. Up until his first retirement his goals total pretty much trailed his games by around a hundred. After a three year hiatus he scored 35 goals in 43 games in the dead puck era. So I'm willing to call Lemieux a better goalscorer.

Edit: I mean if you needed a goal would you prefer a prime Ovechkin or a prime Lemieux? Mario just had so many more ways in which he could score a goal.

 

[Future GOAT]

He already is IMO.

 

[authentic]

Already is.

 

[Dondini]

It’s not 50/50 more like 8/92 but still he doesn’t need 894. In my opinion for him to be guaranteed goat goal scorer he needs 802 and 8 rockets. I don’t see how an arguement could be made against him in that scenario

 

[Midnight Judges]

In Lemieux's case I hate the what ifs. But to be fair. IF he had not been injured as much, his goal totals would be more extreme and he would be considered as better than Ovechkin.

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[Varan]

It’s not 50/50 more like 8/92 but still he doesn’t need 894. In my opinion for him to be guaranteed goat goal scorer he needs 802 and 8 rockets. I don’t see how an arguement could be made against him in that scenario

you will still have some with the notion of "if you're the supposed greatest at something, you need be at the top of that something", meaning needs to be at the top of the goal-scoring list

 

[Dondini]

you will still have some with the notion of "if you're the supposed greatest at something, you need be at the top of that something", meaning needs to be at the top of the goal-scoring list

Yah foresure but I’m confident that the majority of people understand different eras enough that it would be a very small minority that thinks he needs 895

 

[ricky0034]

i'd agree that he already is

but I think it's by a fairly narrow margin at the moment,an 8th will make that narrow margin into a clear one

 

[Boxscore]

No. He's close. He needs to beat Gretzky to be considered the best. "Goal scoring" and being a "sniper" are two different things. Ovechkin is a sniper in the mold of Bossy, Hull, etc. Gretzky wasn't a pure shooter like those guys but he scored tons of goals in other ways - using anticipation, backhand, dekes, banks, trickery, etc.

 

[Caps8112]

No. He's close. He needs to beat Gretzky to be considered the best. "Goal scoring" and being a "sniper" are two different things. Ovechkin is a sniper in the mold of Bossy, Hull, etc. Gretzky wasn't a pure shooter like those guys but he scored tons of goals in other ways - using anticipation, backhand, dekes, banks, trickery, etc.

you mean by shooting it thru the legs of a goalie standing straight up wearing newspapers? Want Ovi to get to Gretzkys record but he doesn't have to. Also 535 assists good for 152nd all time Assists per game. Not bad for a non-center turret.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

When and if he passes Gretzky then I think he totally has a case. I think Ovi could play past the age of 40 though, 50 is debatable.

 

[bathdog]

Probably is, although it's hard for me to compare to players before my time.

 

[BenchBrawl]

He might be, but I don't think him accumulating Rockets really changes his case against a guy like Lemieux, since Ovechkin is already a much more healthy player.

Mario Lemieux is the greatest goalscorer of all-time for me.

 

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