GDT: Hurricanes vs Florida Man - The Battle of Natural Disasters

[spockBokk]

I think this would be fine too, Necas and Kuzy were flying out there and creating a ton of chances before Guentz joined the lineup. I'd stick with SAT and GKN for now though.

Either/or really.

I just think Guentzel would be a better fit for Aho and Teravainen and conversely, Svechnikov should fit in just fine with Kuznetsov and Necas. Granted, you can’t argue with what the Guentzel-Kuznetsov-Necas line has done so far though.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

While it wasn't bad, I wouldn't call it excelling when he was with Burns.

It was definitely a small sample size. He played well but it wasn't seamless and without some adventure at times. That may be as much about Burns tendency as it is any particular point toward Chatty. They played well but it was conservative play for sure and was tentative and stilted a bit at times. Fine for the sample size and a welcome surprise given what many would have guessed would happen, it exceeded expectations.

Maybe it just gets better the more he plays and Chatty just needs to be given the opportunity for a long enough trial higher up the pairs and he just excels and there is no dropoff... we might see that next season no matter what we want given our cap situation next year.. you may be completely correct and I'm an idiot. Wouldn't be the first or last time I deserve that characterization. Just sharing my opinion of what I see when I watch him play every game since he joined us and he has been lined up beside a range of different partners and spent time in the ahl... I think he is developing into a good solid, everyday nhl dman who can play up in spurts but isn't quite there yet as a bona-fide top4.. I would happily be proven completely wrong as I'm a big fan of him..

lol dude my memory has been wrong on a lot of things like this, as I'm sure is true of everyone on this forum (except @Boom Boom Apathy and @Gocanes0506 )

That said, the stats back up my memory here, that he absolutely excelled, even borderline dominated:

In about 6.5 games on the top pair (Slavin got hurt in the middle of the Minnesota game on 1/19/23 then missed the next 6 games) Chatty had 1 goal, 5 assists and was +9 with no games where he was in the minus while averaging about 20 minutes per game. Oh, and the team was 7-0 in those games. I don't remember really any defensive hiccups or anything like that, just remember the team and D not missing a beat at all without Slavin and it being largely because of how well Chatty played in that stretch.

I don't read too much into that so not proclaiming he'd be a great top pair guy if given that opportunity but I do think that combined with how well he's played this year makes me pretty confident that he'll do at least ok moving up to the 2nd pair next year. Plus I just find it hard to find any real faults to his game. His speed is top tier, he's pretty physical, can provide some offense when needed and is generally pretty smart out there (and when he does make a bad decision, oftentimes his speed can make up for it).

 

[Borsig]

as with anything, Chatfield will be the cost. If he wants max value on the open market, we won't be in on that. We need ways to try and keep Guentzel and Skjei if possible.

 

[Stickpucker]

How has Guenztel and Kuznetsov (saw he had a goal last night) looked for you guys so far?

look like many sexy mens.

Needs work in gim if want do thigh picks.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

lol dude my memory has been wrong on a lot of things like this, as I'm sure is true of everyone on this forum (except @Boom Boom Apathy and @Gocanes0506 )

That said, the stats back up my memory here, that he absolutely excelled, even borderline dominated:

In about 6.5 games on the top pair (Slavin got hurt in the middle of the Minnesota game on 1/19/23 then missed the next 6 games) Chatty had 1 goal, 5 assists and was +9 with no games where he was in the minus while averaging about 20 minutes per game. Oh, and the team was 7-0 in those games. I don't remember really any defensive hiccups or anything like that, just remember the team and D not missing a beat at all without Slavin and it being largely because of how well Chatty played in that stretch.

I don't read too much into that so not proclaiming he'd be a great top pair guy if given that opportunity but I do think that combined with how well he's played this year makes me pretty confident that he'll do at least ok moving up to the 2nd pair next year. Plus I just find it hard to find any real faults to his game. His speed is top tier, he's pretty physical, can provide some offense when needed and is generally pretty smart out there (and when he does make a bad decision, oftentimes his speed can make up for it).

While honored, I don’t belong with BBA and a few others would be closer than me

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I’d make one tweak, flip Guentzel to
the Aho line and put Svechnikov with Kuznetsov and Necas.

My only worry there is if the SAT line looks this bad against physical teams in a playoff type game then how do they look minus Svech plus Guentzel. They'd be getting pushed around and out muscled a lot.

 

[Stickpucker]

While honored, I don’t belong with BBA and a few others would be closer than me

If you and bba want to get together no one here will judge you.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If you and bba want to get together no one here will judge you.

I have an odd feeling I can’t compete with BBA’s significant other. I don’t have a chance and have to settle elsewhere

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

While honored, I don’t belong with BBA and a few others would be closer than me

sorry, you're right, I meant to quote @DaveG

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

lol dude my memory has been wrong on a lot of things like this, as I'm sure is true of everyone on this forum (except @Boom Boom Apathy and @Gocanes0506 )

Yes, one of my finer moments was back in the 2018 offseason when I stated that only one of Skinner, Rask, Lindholm or Hanifin would be traded in the off-season.

I quit trying to act like I know anything about prospects after saying Carolina should have drafted Burmistrov with our 1st round pick in 2010. Or how our future looked so bright with prospects like Dalpe, Boychuck, Bowman, Biega, Alt and others.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Yes, one of my finer moments was back in the 2018 offseason when I stated that only one of Skinner, Rask, Lindholm or Hanifin would be traded in the off-season.

I quit trying to act like I know anything about prospects after saying Carolina should have drafted Burmistrov with our 1st round pick in 2010. Or how our future looked so bright with prospects like Dalpe, Boychuck, Bowman, Biega, Alt and others.

I remember you saying "all but one" would be traded in the off-season. Which was what happened!

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

sorry, you're right, I meant to quote @DaveG

Sometimes being right doesn’t feel good

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I remember you saying "all but one" would be traded in the off-season. Which was what happened!

IIRC, I think I said one of those 4 would likely be traded. I can't seem to find the thread anymore.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

IIRC, I think I said one of those 4 would likely be traded. I can't seem to find the thread anymore.

Lol I wasn’t even around then

 

[NotOpie]

While I'd leave the SAT and GKN lines together right now (the SAT line is just a little "off" IMO), if there was a tweak to be made, I'd flip flop Turbo and Necas. That 2nd line loses the entry machine/turnover machine that is Marty Necas (and I love him despite the latter characterization), adding Turbo to that line offers a better defensive RW. Plus, with Turbo's tendency to shoot more this season you don't lose a lot from a sniper perspective. Also, you end up with 2 guys feeding Guentzel who has the shot to play that role....but still, I'd just leave things the way they are.

 

[tarheelhockey]

There’s a part of me that wonders if that line could really be that good, or if we just saw Florida lose their composure and start chasing the game too much. On paper and by reputation, those three guys seem like they wouldn’t be super hard to take off their game with some tighter checking, and what Florida did last not was definitely not tight checking.

Not trying to be a downer or anything, they were awesome. I just have that little voice in my head saying “we know who these guys are and they aren’t what we saw last night”

 

[MyLuckyPuck]

Next season's D ?
Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Chatty
FA - Rookie dude from our system

 

[The Faulker 27]

There’s a part of me that wonders if that line could really be that good, or if we just saw Florida lose their composure and start chasing the game too much. On paper and by reputation, those three guys seem like they wouldn’t be super hard to take off their game with some tighter checking, and what Florida did last not was definitely not tight checking.

Not trying to be a downer or anything, they were awesome. I just have that little voice in my head saying “we know who these guys are and they aren’t what we saw last night”

 

[Derailed75]

There’s a part of me that wonders if that line could really be that good, or if we just saw Florida lose their composure and start chasing the game too much. On paper and by reputation, those three guys seem like they wouldn’t be super hard to take off their game with some tighter checking, and what Florida did last not was definitely not tight checking.

Not trying to be a downer or anything, they were awesome. I just have that little voice in my head saying “we know who these guys are and they aren’t what we saw last night”

Or it was Mo thinking "do I put my best defensive group against SAT or against this new line that doesn't have chemistry."

If its the latter i see a pick your poison decision for every team we face

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Or it was Mo thinking "do I put my best defensive group against SAT or against this new line that doesn't have chemistry."

If its the latter i see a pick your poison decision for every team we face

If the 2nd line does continue to perform, that will be something opposing teams need to decide when the Canes are on the road. Last night, since Canes had last change, Mo didn't really have the say in which line he wanted to match up against various Canes lines.

 

[Chrispy]

There’s a part of me that wonders if that line could really be that good, or if we just saw Florida lose their composure and start chasing the game too much. On paper and by reputation, those three guys seem like they wouldn’t be super hard to take off their game with some tighter checking, and what Florida did last not was definitely not tight checking.

Not trying to be a downer or anything, they were awesome. I just have that little voice in my head saying “we know who these guys are and they aren’t what we saw last night”

I thought Florida made an effort to up the physical and especially chippy play to get into the heads of the Canes. Worked on Svech, but not so much on the others.

And it didn’t seem to work at all on a veteran second line who know their role isn’t to start face washing and slashing Florida players after the whistle.