Prospect Info: Hurricanes Prospect Info and Discussion - Part VII - Cliff Pu and other shit

[SvechneJerk]

 

[CandyCanes]

SMH I called for us to draft Trey Fix-Wolansky just because I liked his name. Could of had him in the 7th round. I should be a scout...

 

[Negan4Coach]

I wonder if the guy who runs the "Wheat Kings" just rolls around town throwing his dick around all like "I'm king shit in this Prairie, now bend the knee" or what because I keep hearing this name.

 

[HisIceness]

I hear Stelio Mattheos is the nephew of Stelio Kontos

 

[spockBokk]

Encouraging words about Fox potentially signing with CAR in the future from S Civian’s latest:

I know, I know. What about the guy averaging just less than two points per game as a defenseman? After talking to him last week, I’ve never been so confident that he’ll actually end up signing with the Hurricanes — more on that Tuesday. If he does sign, there’s about seven possible scenarios in terms of the looming expansion draft. This hypothetical three-years-from-now draft already is hard enough, so let’s just assume that somehow Boy Wonder’s contract is exempt.

 

[Lempo]

Encouraging words about Fox potentially signing with CAR in the future from S Civian’s latest:

I know, I know. What about the guy averaging just less than two points per game as a defenseman? After talking to him last week, I’ve never been so confident that he’ll actually end up signing with the Hurricanes — more on that Tuesday. If he does sign, there’s about seven possible scenarios in terms of the looming expansion draft. This hypothetical three-years-from-now draft already is hard enough, so let’s just assume that somehow Boy Wonder’s contract is exempt.

The Expansion Draft assumably will be in June 2021, so anyone who is only finishing his second accountable pro season on June 30th, 2021 will be exempt. Even if Fox signs next spring and immediately burns his first ELC season by playing a couple of games under 2018-19, that season won't count for him.

Fox won't have two "full" seasons under his belt at the Draft time. Exempt.

 

[spockBokk]

The Expansion Draft assumably will be in June 2021, so anyone who is only finishing his second accountable pro season on June 30th, 2021 will be exempt. Even if Fox signs next spring and immediately burns his first ELC season by playing a couple of games under 2018-19, that season won't count for him.

Fox won't have two "full" seasons under his belt at the Draft time. Exempt.

You certainly have the better understanding then me when it comes to CBA stuff. I was more so optimistic about the good vibes from Civian about him potentially signing. Getting Fox under contract, whenever it happens, would be huge.

 

[SlavinAway]

You certainly have the better understanding then me when it comes to CBA stuff. I was more so optimistic about the good vibes from Civian about him potentially signing. Getting Fox under contract, whenever it happens, would be huge.

Yes, unless he plays more than 10 games in the NHL and AHL this year it won't count.

The only part I wasn't sure about is whether they would be exempt if they just finished their 2nd full season. If they are I definitely think Necas should finish the season in Charlotte because then he would be exempt as well as he is only 19 so his AHL time doesn't count against him unless he hits 10 NHL games this year.

 

[Lempo]

Yes, unless he plays more than 10 games in the NHL and AHL this year it won't count.

The only part I wasn't sure about is whether they would be exempt if they just finished their 2nd full season. If they are I definitely think Necas should finish the season in Charlotte because then he would be exempt as well as he is only 19 so his AHL time doesn't count against him unless he hits 10 NHL games this year.

Actually on second thought it's a bit iffy. I don't think 10 NHL games (the 18-19 y.o. Slide rule) is any applicable limit for Fox. It's crazy that a two game season would count, but then again it does count for the Entry-level System purposes. I would have to see the actual rules, not the bastardizations reported by the press.

But the NHL season will officially end on July 30th. Any guy in his 2nd year at the assumed time of the ED hasn't finished it yet and is by definition a 2nd yearer.

 

[DougieSmash]

THE HYPE IS REAL

can't wait to see fox with #18.

 

[SlavinAway]

Actually on second thought it's a bit iffy. I don't think 10 NHL games (the 18-19 y.o. Slide rule) is any applicable limit for Fox. It's crazy that a two game season would count, but then again it does count for the Entry-level System purposes. I would have to see the actual rules, not the bastardizations reported by the press.

But the NHL season will officially end on July 30th. Any guy in his 2nd year at the assumed time of the ED hasn't finished it yet and is by definition a 2nd yearer.

The slide rule wouldn't be applicable to Fox as he's already 20 but per CBA section 10.2 he would have to play at least 10 professional games (AHL or NHL) under his SPC this season for it to count as a year.

 

[DougieSmash]

btw. we should 'waste' our second round draft pick on brett leason

 

[SlavinAway]

The slide rule wouldn't be applicable to Fox as he's already 20 but per CBA section 10.2 he would have to play at least 10 professional games (AHL or NHL) under his SPC this season for it to count as a year.

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This is completely separate from burning a year of ELC which would occur with only 1 game played at the NHL level I believe.

 

[zman77]

 

[Lempo]

The slide rule wouldn't be applicable to Fox as he's already 20 but per CBA section 10.2 he would have to play at least 10 professional games (AHL or NHL) under his SPC this season for it to count as a year.

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An excellent notion. This certainly looks like what they would use the definition of "professional season" for the ED purposes.

 

[Lempo]

This is completely separate from burning a year of ELC which would occur with only 1 game played at the NHL level I believe.

Yes. Well not completely because the "18-19 y.o. except for 20-turning late birthday guys" is exactly the rule for ELC Slide Eligibility, and it is correspondingly noted in 10.2 that only NHL (and not AHL) games count for the Sliders.

But as for the 20+ guys, if Fox agrees that 2018-19 is the first season of his ELC and goes to the NHL rink in spring, it burns the first year off his ELC, while by 10.2 it sure looks like it still doesn't count as a legit pro season.

The RFA egilibility age/years as stated in 10.2 correspond exactly to the ELC length age/years stated in 9.1 (b). Because of course they do.

 

[SlavinAway]

Yes. Well not completely because the "18-19 y.o. except for 20-turning late birthday guys" is exactly the rule for ELC Slide Eligibility, and it is correspondingly noted in 10.2 that only NHL (and not AHL) games count for the Sliders.

But as for the 20+ guys, if Fox agrees that 2018-19 is the first season of his ELC and goes to the NHL rink in spring, it burns the first year off his ELC, while by 10.2 it sure looks like it still doesn't count as a legit pro season.

The RFA egilibility age/years as stated in 10.2 correspond exactly to the ELC length age/years stated in 9.1 (b). Because of course they do.

Yeah, not separate; all I meant was Fox can burn a year off of his ELC with a single game but it appears that it wouldn't count as a professional season for expansion draft purposes unless he played 10+ games.

I would really like to read the actual rules too.

 

[StormCast]

THE HYPE IS REAL

can't wait to see fox with #18.

He'll need to pick another number. Jay McClement's #18 is now retired.

 

[Lempo]

Yeah, not separate; all I meant was Fox can burn a year off of his ELC with a single game but it appears that it wouldn't count as a professional season for expansion draft purposes unless he played 10+ games.

I would really like to read the actual rules too.

We can't be sure of this though, because the Section says that "For the purposes of this Section 10.1(a)"... technically it's not a generally applicable rule. But I don't think there is any better to be found in CBA to define a pro year.

The rule leads to problem though if Fox signs a 2-year ELC in the spring and immediately burns off a year. His ELC would end in 2020, but playing less than 10 games he wouldn't have 2 professional seasons to qualify as a RFA by 10.1(a).

But apparently they thought of that. This looks very good regarding Fox. He won't even be a Free Agent after the ELC expires:

10.2(c) Players With Fewer Than Three Years of Professional Experience. Any Player with fewer than the required years of professional experience set forth in Section 10.2 shall have no right to Free Agency except as provided in this section. Upon expiration of such a Player's SPC, the Club to whom the Player was last under SPC shall be entitled to make that Player a Qualifying Offer under the terms and conditions set forth in Section 10.2(a)(ii) above. A Club which makes this Qualifying Offer will have the exclusive right to negotiate with any such Player. In the event no such Qualifying Offer is made, the Player shall immediately become an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Section 10.2(a)(iv) above.

 

[SlavinAway]

We can't be sure of this though, because the Section says that "For the purposes of this Section 10.1(a)"... technically it's not a generally applicable rule. But I don't think there is any better to be found in CBA to define a pro year.

The rule leads to problem though if Fox signs a 2-year ELC in the spring and immediately burns off a year. His ELC would end in 2020, but playing less than 10 games he wouldn't have 2 professional seasons to qualify as a RFA by 10.1(a).

But apparently they thought of that. This looks very good regarding Fox. He won't even be a Free Agent after the ELC expires:

10.2(c) Players With Fewer Than Three Years of Professional Experience. Any Player with fewer than the required years of professional experience set forth in Section 10.2 shall have no right to Free Agency except as provided in this section. Upon expiration of such a Player's SPC, the Club to whom the Player was last under SPC shall be entitled to make that Player a Qualifying Offer under the terms and conditions set forth in Section 10.2(a)(ii) above. A Club which makes this Qualifying Offer will have the exclusive right to negotiate with any such Player. In the event no such Qualifying Offer is made, the Player shall immediately become an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Section 10.2(a)(iv) above.

It would still technically be a 3 year ELC this year; effectively 2 years if he burns a year I think. Players aren't eligible for a 2 year until they are 22.

 

[Lempo]

It would still technically be a 3 year ELC this year; effectively 2 years if he burns a year I think. Players aren't eligible for a 2 year until they are 22.

Dang. You're right he'll be 21 on Sept 15th next year, so 3 year ELC if signed in 2019. I somehow thought he would be a year older. It doesn't change anything in this regard though as the RFA requirement changes similarly.

Takes away a bit of urgency in signing though for him as he can well wait a year, sign then in the spring at 22 and end his ELC in 2021 all the same. Loses only a year of ELC salary, gains a Harvard graduation.

 

[SvechneJerk]

I cannot wait to get this guy signed.

 

[SlavinAway]

I cannot wait to get this guy signed.

He sure looks like the real deal.

 

[Stickpucker]

Fox has a nice blocker side shot.

 

[zman77]