How teams should acquire their goalies? (long)

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Goaltending. That’s right, that one little thing that can bail out a slacking team at any given night – and on the other hand, it has the power to ruin everything your skaters have done right in a matter of minutes. This past year, the top 10 goalies had an impact of 27 to 15 GSAA (goals saved above average), which is enormous and practically puts you in the playoff race by itself. On the other hand, if you happen to sign Scott Darling, the exact opposite is true. Few things in hockey are as volatile as goaltending, and so often we hear people calling goaltenders complete voodoo. However, there might just be a method to the madness of acquiring goaltenders. In what follows, I take a look at how NHL teams acquire their goaltending and suggest the methods of acquiring goaltenders I like the most.

To begin with, I want you to look at this pie chart. It has all 62 goalies (two per team) who are projected to begin the 18-19 season in the NHL, sorted by how they have been acquired.

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As expected, three categories dominate here, but in comparison to other positions, they are almost entirely even (as opposed to e.g. top tier defensemen, who very commonly play for the team which drafted them). Now, one could see this and assume that there is no right way to acquire a goalie, and they would be right, but only partially so. All means of acquisition truly have their strengths and weaknesses, which I will get to next.


1. UFA

Signing UFAs is a decent way of finding goaltending help, but there is a major catch there. The vast majority of current NHL goalies who have been acquired via UFA play the role of a backup (the current UFAs who are likely to qualify as their team’s starters next year are Carter Hutton, Brian Elliott, one of Greiss/Lehner and one of Darling/Mrazek). That’s four out of seventeen UFA goalies, which is awfully low. It sounds even worse when it is considered that none of those four (or six, for all I care) are seen as surefire starters in the NHL. That is the main problem with this method, and by looking at the past few UFA classes, you have to go back to Ryan Miller in 2014 to find a goalie who you could realistically have acquired to be an above-average #1G.

Not in the search for a starter? I’ve got good news for you: the backups who become free agents often include guys who can have a great impact without costing you assets. Furthermore, only a couple of backups are on a level high enough to justify paying assets for; out of goalies with under 2000 5v5 minutes played in 17-18, three managed a GSAA of over 10: Grubauer (who has already been traded), Saros (the heir to the throne of Rinne in Nashville), and Ryan Miller, who has a tremendous track record of being a successful goaltender in the NHL. You could walk away with a +/- 5 GAR player for free, if you manage to find the right backup goalie to pick up. Even if the cap hits of UFAs are often bloated, UFA backups rarely get any term, which mitigates the bulk of the risk.

If a quality UFA ever became a UFA and your team happened to be in need of one, you’d better react quickly, because those opportunities only come around so often. Most likely, your team will stick to circulating the same backup goalies and hoping for a hit. As for those starting goalies… well, we’ll get to them next.


2. Draft

As with basically every position, drafting is a great way of acquiring your goalies. This is for multiple reasons: you can get those invaluable young ones, which are extremely tough to acquire due to RFA restrictions and the high value young contributors carry to NHL teams. Moreover, drafting gets you more cost-controlled assets as opposed to paying market value for an UFA goalie. For those reasons, drafting is always a good, logical choice, and it seems to have decent results: eleven out of the fifteen goalies who play for the team which drafted them played over 40 games last year, effectively making them their teams’ starting goalies. Furthermore, five of them featured in the top 10 in Vezina voting of 17-18, including the entire top 3.

But how to draft something that most perceive as complete voodoo? Below is a chart that shows a correlation between draft position and the average amount of NHL games played for a goaltender. (NB: the sample size is not ideal, hence why one or two successful goalies can easily skew the average of any group, as is the case with the goalies picked in the 61-75 range)

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Now, projecting the developmental path of a goalie is extremely tough, but it does seem to be the case that taking a shot at the best goalies available gives you a much better return than drafting goalies late. Looking at the current NHL goalie crop, 19 out of 62 goalies were top 45 draft picks. However, even the goalies who are drafted early don’t average too many NHL games. For every Price or Fleury, somebody hits the old Brent Krahn or Chet Pickard. Maybe you go for a goalie early and hit – but only get a Jonathan Bernier, who is more of a fringe starter than a bonafide #1. In short, there is an enormous amount of risk, but not a great return. As for drafting goalies late, you’re basically playing lottery, in which the odds are heavily stacked against you; nearly every goalie drafted in the back half of a draft winds up playing 0 NHL games. From there, getting any significant goaltender is a massive, massive hit.

This is why I believe teams should focus on volume rather than quality; consistently drafting goalies helps teams maintain a pipeline and can occasionally create an opportunity to trade, while maintaining quality in the crease. Drafting goalies differs from drafting players at other positions in that hitting big on a pick once can last you a decade, as has been the case with guys like Henrik Lundqvist: if there is one player the Rangers have not had to worry about, it’s their #1 goalie. That’s why picking goalies early is completely fine; they give you the best shot, but you’re also paying more asset value for those picks.

It goes without saying that drafting is only one part of the process; development is just as important and often makes a world of difference between teams who get the reputation of being a goalie factory and those who are better known as goalie graveyards. This is not really relevant with regards to acquiring goalies, but if your goalie coach is a tire fire, you’d best believe you’ll be searching for your #1 guy for an eternity. Given the rarity of great UFA goalies and your team’s inability to draft and develop one, you’re basically left with one option.


3. Trade
Trading for a goalie is the most common way to have been used to acquire the current NHL goalies. It has some benefits, but glaring negatives too. Let’s start with the obvious ones: for one, you’ll be paying assets to address a need. Secondly, there aren’t many opportunities to pry a starting goalie out of anyone’s hands, but you’ll often get a more proven guy as opposed to drafting goalies or signing free agents. Also, the one thing GMs are pretty adamant on is keeping their prized #1 goaltenders. It seems to be so that whenever a starter is found, that guy tends to stick around for a while; it is easier to keep hold of your ‘good enough’ guy than give him up and risk not having a reliable goalie.

Now for the positives. First, trading gives you the opportunity to get a proven commodity. Most teams in need of goaltending often need just that. Secondly, goaltenders don’t seem to carry much trade value, even the rare good ones. In recent years, the highest return a goalie (Cory Schneider) has fetched has been the 9th OA pick in 2013. Not insignificant, but also not an asset which you would die for. Maybe this is because of good goalies seem to get traded the most when their team has two guys, one of which they have to part ways with. Schneider is a good example of that, but there have been others too, such as Andersen, Grubauer (as mentioned earlier) and Jones. Such moves can be driven by cap constraints, trade requests or simply the younger goalie taking over. I consider these to be the best opportunities at acquiring your starter: the asset cost is relatively low, and the risk is not going to be lesser than this.

Next, I will touch the ‘other’ means very briefly.


4. Other

For the purposes of the chart, I bundled European free agents, undrafted free agents, waiver claims and expansion draft picks into one group. These are mainly low-risk, low-reward guys who are older and more proven, but rarely have potential to be much more than an AHLer or a backup goalie at best. I foresee teams looking overseas more and more for any goalie talent they can get their hands on in the upcoming years, and just next year, we’ll probably see Mikko Koskinen and Pavel Francouz, two of the best KHL goalies of recent years enter the NHL, looking to make a name for themselves.

Waivers are probably a well-known system for most people. Again, you’ll rarely find much there, but for emergency purposes, they can be surprisingly effective. Current NHL goalies from waivers include Antti Niemi and Malcolm Subban. Lastly, there is the expansion draft, but that is hardly worth mentioning. To sum up these methods, let’s just consider these to be older draft picks: sign the ones you really like and see if they are capable of anything, all while keeping your hopes down.


5. Conclusion

There is no right – or wrong – way of addressing a positional need in goal. I like to think that most teams are pretty much content with having a capable starting goalie and a backup that does not give the coach chills to watch in action. It might take a while to find yourself the former, whereas those of the latter group are always going about from team to team. But as I mentioned in the beginning, great goaltending is invaluable and helps your team to such a big extent that you almost can’t do without it. So, to any GMs who are reading this, whenever there is an opportunity to get yourself a starter, go for it. Those opportunities do not come often, so taking the risk is basically always justified with guys who have proven themselves to any great extent. This goes especially when a trade opportunity arises, but the UFA route works in a pinch. Meanwhile, keep drafting goalies consistently, and do not be afraid to sign that guy from that weird league in Europe. Whenever you need a backup, don't blow your entire asset stack on one; there are cheap ones available every day.

And, possibly the most important rule of them all: whenever you have an answer to all of your goalie issues in your hands, don’t let go of it.

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Sources: Corsica, HockeyReference, hockeydb.com, Eliteprospects, @CMHockey66. Charts by venngage.com.


Inspired by the discussion on goalies I've read here recently, I decided to take a more analytical look at the matter and share some statistics to y'all, as well as offer my own opinion to go with it. I am in no way, shape or form an expert on these things, but rather just curious and keen on learning more about hockey and writing somewhat coherent and informative stuff. Hope you learned something new!
 
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That draft chart is pretty interesting, and I think your volume-based approach is correct. As a Canes fan we’ve spent several years lamenting the fact that Jim Rutherford didn’t draft a goalie in ‘05, ‘06, ‘07, or ‘09, and didn’t draft a goalie any higher than the 6th round between ‘05 - ‘11. That left the Canes without any kind of goalie pipeline for a generation, which continues to haunt them to this day.

It’s pretty clear to me that ANY goalie pick is better than no goalie picks, but the smart thing is to pepper your draft record with occasional high picks. That’s not “voodoo” so much as common sense that if you can turn out one good talent in a generation, you’ve spent those picks wisely.
 

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Draft if at all possibles. Very good goaltending and defensemen are always most in demand, and expensive to acquire by other means.
 

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That draft chart is pretty interesting, and I think your volume-based approach is correct. As a Canes fan we’ve spent several years lamenting the fact that Jim Rutherford didn’t draft a goalie in ‘05, ‘06, ‘07, or ‘09, and didn’t draft a goalie any higher than the 6th round between ‘05 - ‘11. That left the Canes without any kind of goalie pipeline for a generation, which continues to haunt them to this day.

It’s pretty clear to me that ANY goalie pick is better than no goalie picks, but the smart thing is to pepper your draft record with occasional high picks. That’s not “voodoo” so much as common sense that if you can turn out one good talent in a generation, you’ve spent those picks wisely.
The thing about those high picks is that you would also be able to draft skaters who have a much higher likelihood of becoming NHLers of some kind, thus giving you a better return for the value you spent in drafting them. If you f*** up with a goalie and don't manage to draft a starter, you'll get very little value back, given the high supply of backups.

Drafting one goalie a year doesn't hurt you, as long as you don't blow your first rounders in them more than once in a long while. The Flyers' approach under Hextall has been a great one in my books; they added a lot of depth by drafting goalies, and with Hart and Sandstrom eyeing at the show, it looks like their search is over.
 
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The thing about those high picks is that you would also be able to draft skaters who have a much higher likelihood of becoming NHLers of some kind, thus giving you a better return for the value you spent in drafting them. If you **** up with a goalie and don't manage to draft a starter, you'll get very little value back, given the high supply of backups.

Drafting one goalie a year doesn't hurt you, as long as you don't blow your first rounders in them more than once in a long while. The Flyers' approach under Hextall has been a great one in my books; they added a lot of depth by drafting goalies, and with Hart and Sandstrom eyeing at the show, it looks like their search is over.

I think a good middle-ground approach would be to draft one goalie per round per 7 years. One first rounder, one second rounder, etc. Cycle starts over after 7 years.
 
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I think a good middle-ground approach would be to draft one goalie per round per 7 years. One first rounder, one second rounder, etc. Cycle starts over after 7 years.
That would be quite excessive in comparison to where NHL teams have drafted goalies recently, but you would likely have quite a strong pipeline at all times. I reckon you would also be trading a couple of goalies here and there.

Definitely all for drafting a goalie every year, though.
 

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That would be quite excessive in comparison to where NHL teams have drafted goalies recently, but you would likely have quite a strong pipeline at all times. I reckon you would also be trading a couple of goalies here and there.

Definitely all for drafting a goalie every year, though.

The way I see it, if you draft goalies excessively and end up with an extra starter from your 1st or 2nd round pick you’re in a position to trade that goalie for someone who’s probably better than the skater you’d have otherwise drafted.

Assuming it’s a late 1st, of course. Top-10 isn’t the time to be shooting for goalies.
 
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I like the idea of drafting one per year. I mean, why not? Give yourself a chance to hit by throwing enough shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. The Isles went three drafts without taking one until this year (Jakub Skarek in RD3). Prior to that they took two in 2014 and two in 2013, and luckily it looks like they hit on one in Sorokin. The problem is he hasn't come over yet from Russia, and might never will(I'm still hopeful though). Yet another wrinkle to the goalie search.
 

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It's still drafting. Teams that have perennial struggles with the position tend to "not waste" picks on good goalie prospects.
 

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I have not looked at the numbers so please crucify me if I am off here, but it looks like goalies in later rounds hit a lot more than other positions on average. To maximize value I would avoid taking goalies in the 1st then make 1-2 goalie picks a year in rounds after that. The odds for skaters to make the nhl are way lower compared to goalies in later rounds I believe.

I’m really not a big goalie fan in general though. Even the best ones aren’t super consistent. I’d say you’re better off spending the extra cap on defense and making sure your goaltender isn’t completely terrible.
 
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The way I see it, if you draft goalies excessively and end up with an extra starter from your 1st or 2nd round pick you’re in a position to trade that goalie for someone who’s probably better than the skater you’d have otherwise drafted.

Assuming it’s a late 1st, of course. Top-10 isn’t the time to be shooting for goalies.
Correct. Top 10 skater prospects are much safer bets to have high value down the line than any goalie you'll draft at any point.
 

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Just trade with the Capitals, they seem to know what they're doing
They have mastered drafting and developing, which is paying dividends now. Although I recall seeing that Mitch Korn, their goalie coach, went to Long Island this summer. If Korn continues to have remarkable success with the Isles, Sorokin/Söderström/Skarek will be stupidly good rather soon.
 

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My opinion is and has always been that goalies aren't very important so you should just try and pick up some scraps as UFA and use your real assets elsewhere. Still, drafting several goalies(3rd round and on) is a good idea because those late picks rarely turn into anything anyway and you might get lucky with a goalie. Signing promising European goalies might also be a good gamble to take.

I truly am against trading significant assets for a goalie, however.
 

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My opinion is and has always been that goalies aren't very important so you should just try and pick up some scraps as UFA and use your real assets elsewhere. Still, drafting several goalies(3rd round and on) is a good idea because those late picks rarely turn into anything anyway and you might get lucky with a goalie. Signing promising European goalies might also be a good gamble to take.

I truly am against trading significant assets for a goalie, however.
Interesting. I guess the gap between two goalies in one tier (say average starters) is not large at all. In fact, I recall The Hockey Guy's recent YouTube video in which he explained how there are twenty guys within .01 percentage points of career SV%.

But it's when you have 'some scraps' when you start to notice a difference between a Saros (10+ GSAA and pretty much anyone who has a GSAA of around 0 as your backup. Those goals that you don't concede add up rather quickly.

Would you say you're against trading for a goalie, even if it gave you a large improvement in net?
 

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Last 7 cup winners:

2018: Holtby (drafted by org)
2017: Murray (drafted by org)
2016: Murray (drafted by org)
2015: Crawford (drafted by org)
2014: Quick (drafted by org)
2013: Crawford (drafted by org)
2012: Quick (drafted by org)
How about the last Vezina winners?
 

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Interesting. I guess the gap between two goalies in one tier (say average starters) is not large at all. In fact, I recall The Hockey Guy's recent YouTube video in which he explained how there are twenty guys within .01 percentage points of career SV%.

But it's when you have 'some scraps' when you start to notice a difference between a Saros (10+ GSAA and pretty much anyone who has a GSAA of around 0 as your backup. Those goals that you don't concede add up rather quickly.

Would you say you're against trading for a goalie, even if it gave you a large improvement in net?
Well, as always... it's just an improvement in the net. It only affects shots on net... And has no impact on offense at all. A goalie is probably only playing around 60 games a season anyway. And you can generally find passable goalies. For instance, the difference between a .910 goalie and .920 goalie is quite significant, but I'm not sure if it's worth giving all those assets up for a ~15 goal swing(only defensive). Might as well trade for a skater who can bring a similar, likely better for that price, swing instead and additionally save in goalie salary.

And note, I did mention that drafting and developing goalies is a good choice. In fact, if I were to invest on something, it'd be a top notch goalie coach. That seems to make a greater difference than anything. Who knows, maybe the goalie you traded for won't even be successful in your organization? There are so many variables in play with goalies and they often are streaky.
 

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UFA is a poor plan for addressing any major weakness. It can happen, but you shouldn’t count on being so lucky.

Drafting is ideal, but goalie values are so low, trading isn’t a bad route either. The Avs drafting/developing of goalies is so bad, we might be better off never drafting one again and just sending the Caps a mid 1st-mid 2nd every 7 years.
 
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The way I see it, if you draft goalies excessively and end up with an extra starter from your 1st or 2nd round pick you’re in a position to trade that goalie for someone who’s probably better than the skater you’d have otherwise drafted.

Assuming it’s a late 1st, of course. Top-10 isn’t the time to be shooting for goalies.

And on top of that if you are smart about where you draft from, you could conceivably manage 10+ goalies in your system.

2 in the NHL
2 in the AHL
1 in the ECHL
2 in major junior (separated by a couple years)
2 or 3 in NCAA (separated by a couple years)
1 or 2 in Europe

Keep in mind that euro and NCAA drafted players you could potentially allow to age to almost 25 before having to decide on them. So great options for an annual 3rd or later round pick.

The minor pro players would be your bubble players you have to decide on on soon, and you also have the option to let your major junior players play out their overage year if things are too busy in the pros.

And teams always seem to be willing to flip mid round picks for goalie prospects, so it's almost like you don't lose anything so long as you have quality scouts m
 
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They have mastered drafting and developing, which is paying dividends now. Although I recall seeing that Mitch Korn, their goalie coach, went to Long Island this summer. If Korn continues to have remarkable success with the Isles, Sorokin/Söderström/Skarek will be stupidly good rather soon.

Fair point - Korn was also Rinnes coach before going to WSH - but going back to Jim Carey & Kolzig, the Caps have been great at producing goalies the last 25 years.
 
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Last 7 cup winners:

2018: Holtby (drafted by org)
2017: Murray (drafted by org)
2016: Murray (drafted by org)
2015: Crawford (drafted by org)
2014: Quick (drafted by org)
2013: Crawford (drafted by org)
2012: Quick (drafted by org)

Also going off of memory, and I dont think that this has changed since I last looked it up... But no Stanley Cup winning goalie (at least in the modern era) has won a cup in a year they were traded for. With the exception of Roy and Hasek I believe (and Hasek was an offseason trade if I remember right).

There's been a couple of instances of in the system goalies winning in their first years (Ward, Murray, etc)
 
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And on top of that if you are smart about where you draft from, you could conceivably manage 10+ goalies in your system.

2 in the NHL
2 in the AHL
1 in the ECHL
2 in major junior (separated by a couple years)
2 or 3 in NCAA (separated by a couple years)
1 or 2 in Europe

Keep in mind that euro and NCAA drafted players you could potentially allow to age to almost 25 before having to decide on them. So great options for an annual 3rd or later round pick.

The minor pro players would be your bubble players you have to decide on on soon, and you also have the option to let your major junior players play out their overage year if things are too busy in the pros.

And teams always seem to be willing to flip mid round picks for goalie prospects, so it's almost like you don't lose anything so long as you have quality scouts m
It seems like goalie is the one position at which teams are quite adventurous - as long as it doesn't involve trading their starting goalies. For instance, this summer the Jets traded one, didn't qualify other and let one walk as a UFA, while signing two UFAs, promoting a prospect from the USHL and drafting one. There is always plenty of movement at an organisational level, largely based on reasons you mentioned.
 

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