How many points does prime Erik Karlsson get if he played on the 60s and 70s Bruins?

[PuckSeparator]

Just say Bobby Orr was removed from those teams and Erik Karlsson was inserted in his place, how many points does he manage to get? Feel free to talk about how he comports himself defensively against the juggernaut offenses of the time as well.

The idea is that he's transported back via a time machine with all his mental and physical attributes exactly as they are in his prime, all while competing against players back in the day.

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[Frank Drebin]

139. +124

 

[McVirginOil]

Well over 150. Maybe 200. The game now is so different than from 50 years ago, Karlsson would have so many tools, it'd be unfair lol

 

[LarKing]

200+ points easily.

 

[nmbr_24]

Just say Bobby Orr was removed from those teams and Erik Karlsson was inserted in his place, how many points does he manage to get? Feel free to talk about how he comports himself defensively against the juggernaut offense of the time as well.

The idea is that he's transported back via a time machine with all his mental and physical attributes exactly as they are today, all while competing against players back in the day.

Well if there is no Orr then the game does not change the way it did. Karlsson is not Orr.

 

[Greeneye]

216 breaking Gretzky's record.

 

[Big Punisher*]

Just say Bobby Orr was removed from those teams and Erik Karlsson was inserted in his place, how many points does he manage to get? Feel free to talk about how he comports himself defensively against the juggernaut offense of the time as well.

The idea is that he's transported back via a time machine with all his mental and physical attributes exactly as they are in his prime, all while competing against players back in the day.

How many points does he get, or how many does he get as a defenceman? Because if it's the latter, the answer is zero. He doesn't have the ability to play D, and would have been shipped up to forward to take advantage of his skills.

Orr changed the game because he could be the best player on the ice while still knowing how to play in his own end. Without Orr, guys like Karlson would be wingers

 

[Lebowski]

I think modern NHL physical freaks are the ones that'd benefit most from the theoretical "time-machine" argument. Guys like peak Ovechkin, Lindros or Malkin.

Karlsson's best assets are his IQ and his skating. Is he better than Orr in those areas? If not, I don't think he would significantly out-perform the standard Orr set for every other defensemen.

 

[Bank Shot]

Does Karlsson get to use a rocket pack?

 

[thesensguy]

1000 points, the league folds and McDavid goes onto become the world best violinist instead of hockey player

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I can't see an all-Canadian league letting the first ever Swedish NHLer cheat to create offense like Bobby Orr pioneered and Karlsson does now.

The NHL at the time was also very violent, and I can't see Karlsson's teammates sticking up for him, especially if they perceive him hanging them out to dry defensively. Borje Salming was something of a pioneer, and the fact that he was quite tough and violent himself really helped.

So it's hard to say.

 

[Barrie22]

Orr revolutionized the game more then any player in the history of the game. Without orr there would be no karlsson, burns, subban.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Orr revolutionized the game more then any player in the history of the game. Without orr there would be no karlsson, burns, subban.

To be fair, there were a few European defensemen who played a style kind of like Orr, though obviously nowhere near as good. The chance of them being able to play that way in a late 60s/early 70s NHL that disdained the European style of hockey is pretty small.

 

[SquiddFX]

Karlsson would have the NHL record for most points. He'd beat Gretzky by like 500 points easily

 

[PuckSeparator]

Well if there is no Orr then the game does not change the way it did. Karlsson is not Orr.

How many points does he get, or how many does he get as a defenceman? Because if it's the latter, the answer is zero. He doesn't have the ability to play D, and would have been shipped up to forward to take advantage of his skills.

Orr changed the game because he could be the best player on the ice while still knowing how to play in his own end. Without Orr, guys like Karlson would be wingers

Orr revolutionized the game more then any player in the history of the game. Without orr there would be no karlsson, burns, subban.

I'm aware of Orr's significance, I'm merely trying to see how a guy with Karlsson's tools today would fare against the competition back then. It's implied that the Bruins would obviously use him as a defenseman because, after all, that is his best position and what allows him to be such an unreal point getter today (but this is a different debate...).

 

[authentic]

Honestly... if using modern equipment, well over 200 if he wanted to. Using equipment of the time? Still quite a bit more than Orr did.

 

[Patrik Barkov]

Probably like 400 points with todays equipment and level of speed and skill.

 

[umma gumma]

Does Karlsson take a time machine back into the 70s or is he born in that era? People need to stipulate this when making comparisons across eras. Of course anyone travelling by time machine would have a massive advantage.

People need to assume the greats like Richard and Orr would be privy to the same options available to today's athletes if they were playing today; nutrition, training, equipment, lifestyle lol.

 

[Patrik Barkov]

Does Karlsson take a time machine back into the 70s or is he born in that era? People need to stipulate this when making comparisons across eras. Of course anyone travelling by time machine would have a massive advantage.

People need to assume the greats like Richard and Orr would be privy to the same options available to today's athletes if they were playing today; nutrition, training, equipment, lifestyle lol.

Read the latter part of the op.

 

[Big Punisher*]

It's implied that the Bruins would obviously use him as a defenseman because, after all, that is his best position and what allows him to be such an unreal point getter today (but this is a different debate...).

But it wouldn't have been at the time. He would have been converted to forward long before the Bruins, or whomever else got their hands on him.

He also would have got killed. Orr is by far the best player the sport has ever seen, but still hand to drop the gloves once and a while. You think Karlson could have survived this era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3AhKTaenqQ

 

[MXD]

...He probably wouldn't last 14 games TBH.

Because :

The NHL at the time was also very violent, and I can't see Karlsson's teammates sticking up for him, especially if they perceive him hanging them out to dry defensively. Borje Salming was something of a pioneer, and the fact that he was quite tough and violent himself really helped.

To be fair, there were a few European defensemen who played a style kind of like Orr, though obviously nowhere near as good. The chance of them being able to play that way in a late 60s/early 70s NHL that disdained the European style of hockey is pretty small.

 

[JoeCool16]

The idea is that he's transported back via a time machine with all his mental and physical attributes exactly as they are in his prime, all while competing against players back in the day.

All it'd take are defensemen looking at him and going "why is he so darn good". They'd quickly have their answer and you'd see them stop smoking and become fitness freaks as well. Advances in how defensemen think the game might take a bit longer to catch up, but then again, the game back then was different... Karlsson's style might not immediately mesh either. I'm assuming he'd still have to listen to his 60s/70s Bruins coaches.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I have this really in depth fan fiction I wrote about Erik Karlsson trying to go forward in time to see if the Sens win any cups before he re-signs but he accidentally gets sent backwards to the 1920s Senators squad. If he ever wants to get back to modern day Ottawa he has to help the older Sens win another Stanley Cup.

There's a bit of a murder mystery element to it.

 

[Lebowski]

All it'd take are defensemen looking at him and going "why is he so darn good". They'd quickly have their answer and you'd see them stop smoking and become fitness freaks as well. Advances in how defensemen think the game might take a bit longer to catch up, but then again, the game back then was different... Karlsson's style might not immediately mesh either. I'm assuming he'd still have to listen to his 60s/70s Bruins coaches.

Yeah, I doubt that. I think he'd skate circles around most guys, considering he already does skate circles around most guys...

 

[Micklebot]

Well, assuming that he first use this time machine to go into the future, have all his bones replaced with adamantium, and procure some rocket powered skates, I'm going to guess somewhere in the 400+ range, per season.