How long until Mcdavid takes over league lead in points?

[K Fleur]

I voted 21-30.

Looks like I was being to conservative.

 

[Yuri35]

At the end of the day, did these magical skills propel Malkin above OV or Crosby production-wise? No.

Malkin was not the best offensive player of his era no matter how hard one tries to spin his numbers. Using the injury excuse vs. Crosby has become comical.

Malkin has been more hampered by injuries than Sid, that's a fact well known to any pens fan and backed up by the average number of games missed per season.
Too much is made about Sid's concussion: while it was obviously a serious injury, it was mostly a precaution which made him not play for a long time but once he came back, you can't say he played being diminished physically because of that.
While it's well known geno has played numerous times being truly injured physically in a pure mechanic way so it was generally more impactful on his performances.

 

[Yuri35]

At his peak Ovechkin won two Hart’s with malkin finishing second

The 2008/2009 Hart should have been way more debatable than the votes showed, considering the historic season Malkin had (Art Ross + CS after one of the best offensive showing of all time in POs).
One of the only 4-5 players in history to win both the Art and the CS in the same season.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

The 2008/2009 Hart should have been way more debatable than the votes showed, considering the historic season Malkin had (Art Ross + CS after one of the best offensive showing of all time in POs).
One of the only 4-5 players in history to win both the Art and the CS in the same season.

I agree with you. The 08-09 season belonged to malkin. A art ross+smythe combo is historic.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

We should see several 100pt+ players this season which is absolutely fantastic for the league.

If the top guys remain healthy, I think it ends up as a close race between McDavid and Malkin, both breaking 120pts

I would hope so lol

 

[daver]

Malkin has been more hampered by injuries than Sid, that's a fact well known to any pens fan and backed up by the average number of games missed per season.
Too much is made about Sid's concussion: while it was obviously a serious injury, it was mostly a precaution which made him not play for a long time but once he came back, you can't say he played being diminished physically because of that.
While it's well known geno has played numerous times being truly injured physically in a pure mechanic way so it was generally more impactful on his performances.

Crosby's peak was more hampered by injuries, that's a well known fact to any pens fan. Twice he was lapping the field at the half way mark. Cannot say the same for Malkin who actually had some very mediocre full seasons saved by injuries.

Your claim is simply baseless speculation. Both their career regular season PPGs and playoff PPGs, where Crosby has a similar gap, is representative of their abilities.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Malkin has been more hampered by injuries than Sid, that's a fact well known to any pens fan and backed up by the average number of games missed per season.
Too much is made about Sid's concussion: while it was obviously a serious injury, it was mostly a precaution which made him not play for a long time but once he came back, you can't say he played being diminished physically because of that.
While it's well known geno has played numerous times being truly injured physically in a pure mechanic way so it was generally more impactful on his performances.

Crosby has been injured three times 50% through the season while leading the league in scoring. Two of those times he had a 10 point lead and a 13 point lead. He also missed his entire 24 year old season. Malkin has no such situations. With malkin you have 07-08 08-09 11-12 17-18 that are his elite years

Crosby’s elite years

06-07 1st in scoring. 1st in hart, ted Lindsay
07-08 2nd in ppg, leading playoff scorer
08-09 3rd in scoring, 31 point playoff
09-10 2nd in scoring, hart finalist, rocket Richard
10-11 1st in ppg, dominating league before injury
12-13 ted Lindsay, 2nd in hart
13-14 1st in scoring, 1st in hart , ted Lindsay
14-15 3rd in scoring, 5th in hart
15-16 2nd in hart, playoff mvp
16-17 2nd in hart, playoff mvp, rocket richard

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Crosby's peak was more hampered by injuries, that's a well known fact to any pens fan. Twice he was lapping the field at the half way mark. Cannot say the same for Malkin who actually had some very mediocre full seasons saved by injuries.

Your claim is simply baseless speculation. Both their career regular season PPGs and playoff PPGs, where Crosby has a similar gap, is representative of their abilities.

Wait, what?

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Crosby has been injured three times 50% through the season while leading the league in scoring. Two of those times he had a 10 point lead and a 13 point lead. He also missed his entire 24 year old season. Malkin has no such situations. With malkin you have 07-08 08-09 11-12 17-18 that are his elite years

Crosby’s elite years

06-07
07-08
08-09
09-10
10-11
12-13
13-14
14-15
15-16
16-17

You can add 2013-2014 and 2016-2017 to Malkin’s elite years.

 

[authentic]

Crosby has been injured three times 50% through the season while leading the league in scoring. Two of those times he had a 10 point lead and a 13 point lead. He also missed his entire 24 year old season. Malkin has no such situations. With malkin you have 07-08 08-09 11-12 17-18 that are his elite years

Crosby’s elite years

06-07 1st in scoring. 1st in hart, ted Lindsay
07-08 2nd in ppg, leading playoff scorer
08-09 3rd in scoring, 31 point playoff
09-10 2nd in scoring, hart finalist, rocket Richard
10-11 1st in ppg, dominating league before injury
12-13 ted Lindsay, 2nd in hart
13-14 1st in scoring, 1st in hart , ted Lindsay
14-15 3rd in scoring, 5th in hart
15-16 2nd in hart, playoff mvp
16-17 2nd in hart, playoff mvp, rocket richard

Which years did he have the 10 and 13 point lead again? 2010-11 and 2012-13?

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

So in total
elite seasons
Crosby, 06-07, 07-08, 08-09, 09-10, 10-11, 12-13, 13-14, 14-15, 15-16, 16–7
Malkin 07-08, 08-09, 11-12, 13-14, 16-7, 17-18

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Which years did he have the 1o and 13 point lead again? 2010-11 and 2012-13?

Correct

 

[daver]

Wait, what?

2010/11 - Was at 22 points thru 25 games before getting injured.

Meanwhile Crosby finishes just behind OV in PPG in 07/08 after his ankle injury and wins the playoff scoring race.

And just because he was seemingly unaffected by his concussions isn't a negative for him. Besides being less injury-prone , he can perform better when dealing with injuries.

 

[authentic]

Correct

Pretty crazy to have those gaps after 41 and 36 games, but flying pucks and David Steckels ruined it.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Pretty crazy to have those gaps after 41 and 36 games, but flying pucks and David Steckels ruined it.

It irritates me too this day. Especially 12-13. Crosby literally needed to play two more games max and he would have won. But he started the 1st playoff game a couple days after the pens last reg game. I get the playoffs are important but damn...

 

[Nadal On Clay]

2010/11 - Was at 22 points thru 25 games before getting injured.

Meanwhile Crosby finishes just behind OV in PPG in 07/08 after his ankle injury and wins the playoff scoring race.

And just because he was seemingly unaffected by his concussions isn't a negative for him. Besides being less injury-prone , he can perform better when dealing with injuries.

“Cannot say the same for Malkin who actually had some very mediocre full seasons saved by injuries”

Malkin point finishes when he plays at least 75 games: 1,1,2,4,18 (rookie season )

Which one of those were mediocre seasons?

 

[Yuri35]

Wait, what?

That's Daver for you!
If you ever say something bad or even just a tad bit negative about Sid, he is capable of answering you that 1+1= 3 if it helps defending Sid

 

[daver]

“Cannot say the same for Malkin who actually had some very mediocre full seasons saved by injuries”

Malkin point finishes when he plays at least 75 games: 1,1,2,4,18 (rookie season )

Which one of those were mediocre seasons?

I meant he had seasons under 75 games with less than expected PPGs that are conveniently ignored because the injury card gets played. Low PPG = 'well he played injured" .

He is simply not as consistent as Crosby and their respective career PPGs reflect that. Not sure how you someone can say Malkin was the best offensive player of his era because "he was injured"

 

[Khomutov]

The 2008/2009 Hart should have been way more debatable than the votes showed, considering the historic season Malkin had (Art Ross + CS after one of the best offensive showing of all time in POs).
One of the only 4-5 players in history to win both the Art and the CS in the same season.

The Hart Trophy has nothing to do with the PO.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

I meant he had seasons under 75 games with less than expected PPGs that are conveniently ignored because the injury card gets played. Low PPG = 'well he played injured" .

He is simply not as consistent as Crosby and their respective career PPGs reflect that. Not sure how you someone can say Malkin was the best offensive player of his era because "he was injured"

Ah, makes more sense now.

I mean, yeah that doesn’t excuse his poor 37 pts in 43 games performance but the fact that he was playing hurt is true. That’s the only season you could consider “mediocre” though. The fact that he put up one of the best individual regular season of the century right after his mediocre season should confirm you that he wasn’t at his normal self.

58 in 57 and 70 in 69 under Mike Johnston and in lower scoring seasons is not what I would call mediocre.

 

[karnige]

McDavid literally gets 33% more ice time than Matthews, so of course he's going to blow by him.

If Matthews paces for 90 points over however many games he plays, watch out. That would be 120 points with McDavid's ice time. I think McDavid will get 130, but that's pretty close. Leafs haters are going to be real salty.

yep more ice time means more points..... and its all about what ifs/on pace. I go by facts and reality. fact is mcdavid gets way more points then matthews. gets results. the only results matthews gets are mri for his shoulders

 

[ricky0034]

McDavid literally gets 33% more ice time than Matthews, so of course he's going to blow by him.

If Matthews paces for 90 points over however many games he plays, watch out. That would be 120 points with McDavid's ice time. I think McDavid will get 130, but that's pretty close. Leafs haters are going to be real salty.

the Oilers should just play McDavid for the entire game so he can score 400 points

it really doesn't make any sense why they aren't doing that think of how many wins that would be

 

[daver]

Ah, makes more sense now.

I mean, yeah that doesn’t excuse his poor 37 pts in 43 games performance but the fact that he was playing hurt is true. That’s the only season you could consider “mediocre” though. The fact that he put up one of the best individual regular season of the century right after his mediocre season should confirm you that he wasn’t at his normal self.

58 in 57 and 70 in 69 under Mike Johnston and in lower scoring seasons is not what I would call mediocre.

Wasn't Crosby playing hurt or at reduced capacity because of his concussions at any time in career? The pro-Malkin crowd will say no because he still lead the league in scoring and/or PPG after his ankle injury and concussions so unlike Malkin, he was 100% when he was on the ice. The pro-Crosby will argue that he can play thru injuries better and that he permanently lost some of his speed after his ankle injury in 07/08.

Most Pens fans are the opinion that Crosby is more consistent game in and game out which seems to be backed up by their career numbers. That Malkin has put up a limited number of full seasons indicates his proneness to injury which cannot be ignored in a discussion of who is better.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Wasn't Crosby playing hurt or at reduced capacity because of his concussions at any time in career? The pro-Malkin crowd will say no because he still lead the league in scoring and/or PPG after his ankle injury and concussions so unlike Malkin, he was 100% when he was on the ice. The pro-Crosby will argue that he can play thru injuries better and that he permanently lost some of his speed after his ankle injury in 07/08.

Most Pens fans are the opinion that Crosby is more consistent game in and game out which seems to be backed up by their career numbers. That Malkin has put up a limited number of full seasons indicates his proneness to injury which cannot be ignored in a discussion of who is better.

Im not a Pro Malkin, Crosby hater type of guy. I never argued that fact that Crosby has been better than Malkin throughout their career. I just find it pathetic when Crosby fanboys need to downplay Malkin to prop up their boy. Saying Malkin has had very mediocre full seasons is downplaying him badly. Thinking he had more than one mediocre season is also downplaying him.

 

[daver]

Im not a Pro Malkin, Crosby hater type of guy. I never argued that fact that Crosby has been better than Malkin throughout their career. I just find it pathetic when Crosby fanboys need to downplay Malkin to prop up their boy. Saying Malkin has had very mediocre full seasons is downplaying him badly. Thinking he had more than one mediocre season is also downplaying him.

This all started when someone commented that they Malkin was the clear best offensive player of his era. I was saying that, unlike Crosby, Malkin had mediocre partial seasons that are ignored because he got injured.

The whole point was that their numbers speak for themselves which shows Crosby as having the superior offensive numbers. Trying to spin those numbers with talk of injuries is comical. Crosby arguably lost out more on his legacy than Malkin due to injuries.