How irrelevant has Spartak become and can they fix it?

[Salavat Yulaev]

Not at all, for instance kolkhozes were the responsibility of Urozhai and at least 1/4 of the Soviet citizens were involved in heavy industry (so it's Zenits, Torpedos, Avangards) by default. Spartak was big, I don't argue with that. But 99% is little too much, try 146% next time. Just because everything belonged to the same system doesn't mean that every worker was a government official or whatever.

Why 146%?
Do you extrapolate the error made by Russian channel on the estimations made by me? Very powerful argument
Since 1960 Spartak serviced all trade unions of the USSR, i.e. at least 99% of population cause 99% of adults were members of (ВЦСПС) trade unions

And only one Spartak was the champion.

You should keep in mind that Moscow easily had a larger local Spartak-affiliated base than cities like Chelyabinsk due to its social and economic strucutre. That also made Spartak bigger in Moscow comparing to industrial Torpedo and Krylya (Zenit) societies.

Spartak had its own All-Union infrastructure and sportsmen from Spartak Tashkent or Spartak Chelyabinsk making their carriers went to Moscow. Local Spartak clubs were kind of farm-teams.

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

Well, it's you who listed them. There were much wider DSOs like Trud.
Not at all, for instance kolkhozes were the responsibility of Urozhai .

Trud and Urozhay were clubs of the RSFSR but not the USSR

My point is that any citizen of the USSR regardless of his occupation could become a member of Spartak

 

[obskyr]

Since 1960 Spartak serviced all trade unions of the USSR, i.e. at least 99% of population cause 99% of adults were members of (ВЦСПС) trade unions

99% of male Soviet citizens were eligible for military service, that didn't make them members of CSKA.

As a "fizkulturnik" you could sign with any club.

The Central Council of Trade Unions sanctioned all DSOs. All those societies were trade union clubs that didn't belong to departments like CSKA and Dynamo did.

They did have patrons in the goverment and so did Spartak, it usually had them in the Politburo as well.

"People's teams" don't exist in the countries where every aspect of society is controlled by the party and the government.

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

99% of male Soviet citizens were eligible for military service, that didn't make them members of CSKA.

In what country males from 18 to 45 may represent the population?
Vatican?

As a "fizkulturnik" you could sign with any club.

The Central Council of Trade Unions sanctioned all DSOs. All those societies were trade union clubs that didn't belong to departments like CSKA and Dynamo did.

They did have patrons in the goverment and so did Spartak, it usually had them in the Politburo as well.

"People's teams" don't exist in the countries where every aspect of society is controlled by the party and the government.

Once again one specific trade union cannot be representative for people of country. All those Urozhay, Lokmotiv and other represented some more or less specific professional or occupational parts of soviet society. Spartak in contrast was for everyone. Were you a doctor, salesman or plumber it didn't matter.

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

"People's teams" don't exist in the countries where every aspect of society is controlled by the party and the government.

This is rather political statement than the argument.

Spartak had thousands stadiums, pools, sport schools all around the USSR. Everybody could go in for sports in any of 40 sportive disciplines supported by the club FOR FREE.
This is what made Spartak a people's club

 

[obskyr]

In what country males from 18 to 45 may represent the population?

Following your logic you may also wonder what sports society was supposed to represent minors, people older than 55 and disabled persons.

In what country males from 18 to 45 may represent the population?
Once again one specific trade union cannot be representative for people of country.

There may be only one team that can be a representative for a nation, a national team. NT-like clubs may also exist, sure, but that's something Soviet Russia never had.

All those Urozhay, Lokmotiv and other represented some more or less specific professional or occupational parts of soviet society. Spartak in contrast was for everyone. Were you a doctor, salesman or plumber it didn't matter.

But not if you're a railways worker, okay.

Spartak had thousands stadiums, pools, sport schools all around the USSR. Everybody could go in for sports in any of 40 sportive disciplines supported by the club FOR FREE.

You mean it was the same as absolutely everywhere in the Soviet Union? Interesting.
Ironically enough the CPSU was referred to as the "people's party" too, that was a political statement.